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04-14-2012 , 11:45 PM

#11926

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

Poker Stars, $50/$100, $20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12564352

Hero (UTG): $17,062 (170.6 bb)
1-ronnyr3 (MP): $18,420 (184.2 bb)
Ben86 (CO): $11,575 (115.8 bb)
toweliestar (BTN): $8,543.75 (85.4 bb)
Liqqa (SB): $25,217.25 (252.2 bb)
Zypherin (BB): $17,250 (172.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7

Hero raises to $400, 1-ronnyr3 calls $400, Ben86 calls $400, toweliestar calls $400, Liqqa raises to $2,620, Zypherin calls $2,520, Hero calls $2,220, 1-ronnyr3 calls $2,220, Ben86 raises to $11,555 and is all-in, toweliestar calls $8,123.75 and is all-in, Liqqa raises to $25,197.25 and is all-in, Zypherin calls $14,610 and is all-in, Hero calls $14,422 and is all-in, 1-ronnyr3 calls $15,780 and is all-in

Flop: ($91,270.75) T

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
Turn: ($91,270.75) 5

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
River: ($91,270.75) 6

(6 players, 6 are all-in)

Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
Final Board: T

Hero showed 7

and lost (-$17,062 net)
1-ronnyr3 showed 4

and lost (-$18,420 net)
Ben86 showed Q

and lost (-$11,575 net)
toweliestar showed 8

and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
Liqqa showed A

and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
Zypherin showed Q

and lost (-$17,250 net)

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04-14-2012 , 11:50 PM

#11927

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,590

damn you ben and your QQT2 lol, covered up everyones hands and only looked at the board, saw I had a set and was screaming for 10, had to test the run good

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04-15-2012 , 12:27 AM

#11928

hustlejg

banned

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
Turn: ($91,270.75) 5

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
River: ($91,270.75) 6

(6 players, 6 are all-in)

Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
Final Board: T

Hero showed 7

and lost (-$17,062 net)
1-ronnyr3 showed 4

and lost (-$18,420 net)
Ben86 showed Q

and lost (-$11,575 net)
toweliestar showed 8

and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
Liqqa showed A

and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
Zypherin showed Q

and lost (-$17,250 net)

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Pro hold imo

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04-15-2012 , 04:52 AM

#11929

Ben86

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,795

that was prob terrible of me to think i could get it HU with liqqa. i thought if i jammed and opened the betting for him the 3 of you that were 170+ deep with him would have to fold.

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04-15-2012 , 05:04 AM

#11930

Hoopster81

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Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 7,277

Go out on a limb and say once he cold calls a 3b Guy ain't folding for any amount regardless of action

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04-15-2012 , 06:38 AM

#11931

dappadan777

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,319

Excuse my ignorance once again regarding PLO and its variance. But WTF would anyone play this game for a living given the above graphs are prime examples of how ridiculous the variance can be? Is everyone honestly trying to hold out for that special 'heater' to make it all worth while?

Those graphs are just disgusting.

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04-15-2012 , 08:00 AM

#11932

antchev

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,768

Quote:

Originally Posted by dappadan777

Excuse my ignorance once again regarding PLO and its variance. But WTF would anyone play this game for a living given the above graphs are prime examples of how ridiculous the variance can be? Is everyone honestly trying to hold out for that special 'heater' to make it all worth while?

Those graphs are just disgusting.

Amen.

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04-15-2012 , 09:01 AM

#11933

HitmanDK

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 405

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
Turn: ($91,270.75) 5

(6 players, 6 are all-in)
River: ($91,270.75) 6

(6 players, 6 are all-in)

Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
Final Board: T

Hero showed 7

and lost (-$17,062 net)
1-ronnyr3 showed 4

and lost (-$18,420 net)
Ben86 showed Q

and lost (-$11,575 net)
toweliestar showed 8

and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
Liqqa showed A

and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
Zypherin showed Q

and lost (-$17,250 net)

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What do we feel about 1-ronnyr3's play here?

In the actual match he was doing very doing good given that two people both had QQ and nobody had a low rundown. It just feels wrong to me. Without knowing the other's cards is this a call of the 4 bet?

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04-15-2012 , 09:05 AM

#11934

HitmanDK

grinder

Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 405

I've actually just done a bit of stoving and it seems like it is. PLO variance ftw!

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04-15-2012 , 09:18 AM

#11935

arbianight

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by HitmanDK

Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.

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04-15-2012 , 10:39 AM

#11936

urubu111

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Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,778

lol 6way all in....

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04-15-2012 , 11:02 AM

#11937

Hoopman20

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,366

Quote:

Originally Posted by dappadan777

WTF would anyone play this game for a living.

Because lower risk investments just aren't exciting enough.

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04-15-2012 , 11:35 AM

#11938

dappadan777

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,319

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoopman20

Because lower risk investments just aren't exciting enough.

lol, well coming from someone who plays NL for a living and is struggling with the variance there, I cannot even fathom playing PLO for a anything else but fun and the odd shot. But I'm a nit I guess.

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04-15-2012 , 12:06 PM

#11939

j.a.o.p.

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,529

Quote:

Originally Posted by arbianight

so much fail.....

any 5 players ai at any limit...i`d happily join with 2offsuited baby pairs as 6th player...
if ben doesn`t hold a 2 in his hand...he would be fav!

ben played it worst....a move that has gone sour....and he admitted already...

joining this multiway ai with K986ds is really,really bad

Last edited by j.a.o.p.; 04-15-2012 at 12:19 PM.

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04-15-2012 , 12:14 PM

#11940

arbianight

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.

so much fail.....

Sorry for failing dude

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04-15-2012 , 12:19 PM

#11941

MATT111

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,009

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.

so much fail.....

BBV here!

(although I tend to agree if it wasn't)

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04-15-2012 , 12:22 PM

#11942

Mig

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,933

Quote:

Originally Posted by arbianight

Really ? I seriously need some coaching at this fcin game. Any coach out there available ?

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04-15-2012 , 12:24 PM

#11943

chinaski101

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Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,973

Quote:

Originally Posted by MATT111

BBV here!

(although I tend to agree if it wasn't)

+1, towlies play may be borderline(plays badly to 5 allins, but good enough 3way with all the dead money)

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04-15-2012 , 12:34 PM

#11944

arbianight

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.

Fair enough with the 22/44, but this was literally best case scenario for him with only 2 outs to be overset and no one having a real rundown hand.... and towelie only has 80 bb, so I cant see it being 'really really bad', or anything near as bad as heros play IMO.

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04-15-2012 , 01:07 PM

#11945

krmont22

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Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 8,078

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.

Between this post and wanting to fold A457ds preflop, I must think you have no concept of PLO preflop play.

Or you make the greatest levels.

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04-15-2012 , 01:25 PM

#11946

thatpfunk

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Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,552

Quote:

Originally Posted by arbianight

Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.

no, its good...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

2,033 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
2s2c4c4h	21.84%	443	2
10%	17.13%	336	26
10%	16.21%	314	32
15%	15.68%	303	33
15%	14.47%	281	27
20%	14.67%	286	26

and you can nit up the ranges as much as you want but you can't make ronny's play bad here.

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04-15-2012 , 01:28 PM

#11947

thatpfunk

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Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,552

and i feel like a nit for thinking this but I dont like opening Joey's hand utg in a tough lineup.

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04-15-2012 , 01:33 PM

#11948

arbianight

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatpfunk

no, its good...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

2,033 trials (Randomized)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
2s2c4c4h	21.84%	443	2
10%	17.13%	336	26
10%	16.21%	314	32
15%	15.68%	303	33
15%	14.47%	281	27
20%	14.67%	286	26

and you can nit up the ranges as much as you want but you can't make ronny's play bad here.

Stand corrected, and given the way the hand went about, if anything id loosen up the ranges

Last edited by arbianight; 04-15-2012 at 01:38 PM.

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04-15-2012 , 01:34 PM

#11949

arbianight

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102

Quote:

Originally Posted by thatpfunk

and i feel like a nit for thinking this but I dont like opening Joey's hand utg in a tough lineup.

IMO its terrible as his call of the 3bet.

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04-15-2012 , 01:44 PM

#11950

thatpfunk

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Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 8,552

Quote:

Originally Posted by arbianight

IMO its terrible as his call of the 3bet.

ya we are on the same page here. not only do you have to worry about getting repopped and just being SOL, but even flopping great is rarely going to be that good this multiway.

interested to hear joey or others convince otherwise though.