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04-14-2012 , 11:45 PM
    Poker Stars, $50/$100, $20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12564352

    Hero (UTG): $17,062 (170.6 bb)
    1-ronnyr3 (MP): $18,420 (184.2 bb)
    Ben86 (CO): $11,575 (115.8 bb)
    toweliestar (BTN): $8,543.75 (85.4 bb)
    Liqqa (SB): $25,217.25 (252.2 bb)
    Zypherin (BB): $17,250 (172.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 J T T
    Hero raises to $400, 1-ronnyr3 calls $400, Ben86 calls $400, toweliestar calls $400, Liqqa raises to $2,620, Zypherin calls $2,520, Hero calls $2,220, 1-ronnyr3 calls $2,220, Ben86 raises to $11,555 and is all-in, toweliestar calls $8,123.75 and is all-in, Liqqa raises to $25,197.25 and is all-in, Zypherin calls $14,610 and is all-in, Hero calls $14,422 and is all-in, 1-ronnyr3 calls $15,780 and is all-in

    Flop: ($91,270.75) T J A (6 players, 6 are all-in)
    Turn: ($91,270.75) 5 (6 players, 6 are all-in)
    River: ($91,270.75) 6 (6 players, 6 are all-in)

    Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
    Final Board: T J A 5 6
    Hero showed 7 J T T and lost (-$17,062 net)
    1-ronnyr3 showed 4 2 4 2 and lost (-$18,420 net)
    Ben86 showed Q T Q 2 and lost (-$11,575 net)
    toweliestar showed 8 9 6 K and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
    Liqqa showed A 6 A K and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
    Zypherin showed Q Q A 7 and lost (-$17,250 net)



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    04-14-2012 , 11:50 PM
    damn you ben and your QQT2 lol, covered up everyones hands and only looked at the board, saw I had a set and was screaming for 10, had to test the run good
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    04-15-2012 , 12:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
      Poker Stars, $50/$100, $20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12564352

      Hero (UTG): $17,062 (170.6 bb)
      1-ronnyr3 (MP): $18,420 (184.2 bb)
      Ben86 (CO): $11,575 (115.8 bb)
      toweliestar (BTN): $8,543.75 (85.4 bb)
      Liqqa (SB): $25,217.25 (252.2 bb)
      Zypherin (BB): $17,250 (172.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 J T T
      Hero raises to $400, 1-ronnyr3 calls $400, Ben86 calls $400, toweliestar calls $400, Liqqa raises to $2,620, Zypherin calls $2,520, Hero calls $2,220, 1-ronnyr3 calls $2,220, Ben86 raises to $11,555 and is all-in, toweliestar calls $8,123.75 and is all-in, Liqqa raises to $25,197.25 and is all-in, Zypherin calls $14,610 and is all-in, Hero calls $14,422 and is all-in, 1-ronnyr3 calls $15,780 and is all-in

      Flop: ($91,270.75) T J A (6 players, 6 are all-in)
      Turn: ($91,270.75) 5 (6 players, 6 are all-in)
      River: ($91,270.75) 6 (6 players, 6 are all-in)

      Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
      Final Board: T J A 5 6
      Hero showed 7 J T T and lost (-$17,062 net)
      1-ronnyr3 showed 4 2 4 2 and lost (-$18,420 net)
      Ben86 showed Q T Q 2 and lost (-$11,575 net)
      toweliestar showed 8 9 6 K and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
      Liqqa showed A 6 A K and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
      Zypherin showed Q Q A 7 and lost (-$17,250 net)



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      Pro hold imo
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      04-15-2012 , 04:52 AM
      that was prob terrible of me to think i could get it HU with liqqa. i thought if i jammed and opened the betting for him the 3 of you that were 170+ deep with him would have to fold.
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      04-15-2012 , 05:04 AM
      Go out on a limb and say once he cold calls a 3b Guy ain't folding for any amount regardless of action
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      04-15-2012 , 06:38 AM
      Excuse my ignorance once again regarding PLO and its variance. But WTF would anyone play this game for a living given the above graphs are prime examples of how ridiculous the variance can be? Is everyone honestly trying to hold out for that special 'heater' to make it all worth while?

      Those graphs are just disgusting.
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      04-15-2012 , 08:00 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dappadan777
      Excuse my ignorance once again regarding PLO and its variance. But WTF would anyone play this game for a living given the above graphs are prime examples of how ridiculous the variance can be? Is everyone honestly trying to hold out for that special 'heater' to make it all worth while?

      Those graphs are just disgusting.
      Amen.
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      04-15-2012 , 09:01 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
        Poker Stars, $50/$100, $20 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12564352

        Hero (UTG): $17,062 (170.6 bb)
        1-ronnyr3 (MP): $18,420 (184.2 bb)
        Ben86 (CO): $11,575 (115.8 bb)
        toweliestar (BTN): $8,543.75 (85.4 bb)
        Liqqa (SB): $25,217.25 (252.2 bb)
        Zypherin (BB): $17,250 (172.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7 J T T
        Hero raises to $400, 1-ronnyr3 calls $400, Ben86 calls $400, toweliestar calls $400, Liqqa raises to $2,620, Zypherin calls $2,520, Hero calls $2,220, 1-ronnyr3 calls $2,220, Ben86 raises to $11,555 and is all-in, toweliestar calls $8,123.75 and is all-in, Liqqa raises to $25,197.25 and is all-in, Zypherin calls $14,610 and is all-in, Hero calls $14,422 and is all-in, 1-ronnyr3 calls $15,780 and is all-in

        Flop: ($91,270.75) T J A (6 players, 6 are all-in)
        Turn: ($91,270.75) 5 (6 players, 6 are all-in)
        River: ($91,270.75) 6 (6 players, 6 are all-in)

        Results: $91,270.75 pot ($5 rake)
        Final Board: T J A 5 6
        Hero showed 7 J T T and lost (-$17,062 net)
        1-ronnyr3 showed 4 2 4 2 and lost (-$18,420 net)
        Ben86 showed Q T Q 2 and lost (-$11,575 net)
        toweliestar showed 8 9 6 K and lost (-$8,543.75 net)
        Liqqa showed A 6 A K and won $91,265.75 ($72,845.75 net)
        Zypherin showed Q Q A 7 and lost (-$17,250 net)



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        What do we feel about 1-ronnyr3's play here?

        In the actual match he was doing very doing good given that two people both had QQ and nobody had a low rundown. It just feels wrong to me. Without knowing the other's cards is this a call of the 4 bet?
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        04-15-2012 , 09:05 AM
        I've actually just done a bit of stoving and it seems like it is. PLO variance ftw!
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        04-15-2012 , 09:18 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by HitmanDK
        What do we feel about 1-ronnyr3's play here?

        In the actual match he was doing very doing good given that two people both had QQ and nobody had a low rundown. It just feels wrong to me. Without knowing the other's cards is this a call of the 4 bet?
        Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

        If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.
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        04-15-2012 , 10:39 AM
        lol 6way all in....
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        04-15-2012 , 11:02 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by dappadan777
        WTF would anyone play this game for a living.
        Because lower risk investments just aren't exciting enough.
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        04-15-2012 , 11:35 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Hoopman20
        Because lower risk investments just aren't exciting enough.
        lol, well coming from someone who plays NL for a living and is struggling with the variance there, I cannot even fathom playing PLO for a anything else but fun and the odd shot. But I'm a nit I guess.
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        04-15-2012 , 12:06 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by arbianight
        Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

        If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.
        so much fail.....

        any 5 players ai at any limit...i`d happily join with 2offsuited baby pairs as 6th player...
        if ben doesn`t hold a 2 in his hand...he would be fav!

        ben played it worst....a move that has gone sour....and he admitted already...

        joining this multiway ai with K986ds is really,really bad

        Last edited by j.a.o.p.; 04-15-2012 at 12:19 PM.
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        04-15-2012 , 12:14 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.
        so much fail.....
        Sorry for failing dude
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        04-15-2012 , 12:19 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.
        so much fail.....
        BBV here!

        (although I tend to agree if it wasn't)
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        04-15-2012 , 12:22 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by arbianight
        Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

        If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.
        Really ? I seriously need some coaching at this fcin game. Any coach out there available ?
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        04-15-2012 , 12:24 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by MATT111
        BBV here!

        (although I tend to agree if it wasn't)
        +1, towlies play may be borderline(plays badly to 5 allins, but good enough 3way with all the dead money)
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        04-15-2012 , 12:34 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.
        so much fail.....

        any 5 players ai at any limit...i`d happily join with 2offsuited baby pairs as 6th player...
        if ben doesn`t hold a 2 in his hand...he would be fav!

        ben played it worst....a move that has gone sour....and he admitted already...

        joining this multiway ai with K986ds is really,really bad
        Fair enough with the 22/44, but this was literally best case scenario for him with only 2 outs to be overset and no one having a real rundown hand.... and towelie only has 80 bb, so I cant see it being 'really really bad', or anything near as bad as heros play IMO.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:07 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.
        so much fail.....

        any 5 players ai at any limit...i`d happily join with 2offsuited baby pairs as 6th player...
        if ben doesn`t hold a 2 in his hand...he would be fav!

        ben played it worst....a move that has gone sour....and he admitted already...

        joining this multiway ai with K986ds is really,really bad
        Between this post and wanting to fold A457ds preflop, I must think you have no concept of PLO preflop play.

        Or you make the greatest levels.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:25 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by arbianight
        Its bad. 22-44 call of the 3bet with 2 shorties likely to push behind him cant be a winning play. That hand is just not winning many 6 way all ins pre. If he closes the action for $2240 I like it a lot more as many backdoor straight and flush draws that miss the flop will fold to flop bets from liqqa. Im not going to run math, but im pretty sure bottom set very very rarely is the best hand against 20 cards that see the river.

        If I had to rank the play in the hand id say liqqa and towelie played the hand perfectly. Zyphs play is also good. Ronny and Ben a bit more than slightly bad (never getting hu and rarely 3 way), and hero played it by far the worst.
        no, its good...

        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        2,033 trials (Randomized)
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        2s2c4c4h21.84% 4432
        10%17.13% 33626
        10%16.21% 31432
        15%15.68% 30333
        15%14.47% 28127
        20%14.67% 28626

        and you can nit up the ranges as much as you want but you can't make ronny's play bad here.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:28 PM
        and i feel like a nit for thinking this but I dont like opening Joey's hand utg in a tough lineup.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:33 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by thatpfunk
        no, its good...

        ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
        2,033 trials (Randomized)
        Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
        2s2c4c4h21.84% 4432
        10%17.13% 33626
        10%16.21% 31432
        15%15.68% 30333
        15%14.47% 28127
        20%14.67% 28626

        and you can nit up the ranges as much as you want but you can't make ronny's play bad here.
        Stand corrected, and given the way the hand went about, if anything id loosen up the ranges

        Last edited by arbianight; 04-15-2012 at 01:38 PM.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:34 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by thatpfunk
        and i feel like a nit for thinking this but I dont like opening Joey's hand utg in a tough lineup.
        IMO its terrible as his call of the 3bet.
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        04-15-2012 , 01:44 PM
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        Originally Posted by arbianight
        IMO its terrible as his call of the 3bet.
        ya we are on the same page here. not only do you have to worry about getting repopped and just being SOL, but even flopping great is rarely going to be that good this multiway.

        interested to hear joey or others convince otherwise though.
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