Hello, I'm a long time lurker, first time poster on 2+2.

I'm a 35yr old Englishman with a steady job, family and a thirst for improving at poker.

For the last year or so, I've been a modest winner at NLHE up to $50nl but have grown very bored of it as grinding 60k hands per month to make more in rb than you do at the tables is soul destroying.

So, I have set myself a new challenge of getting good enough at PLO to be playing $0.25/$0.50 within 6 months.

As a relatively experienced poker player, I'm well versed in the basics of PLO and general poker principles. However, I'm going to start at $10PLO but expect to move up very quickly from that once I have a better understanding of the mathematics of PLO and I have registered on this board to hopefully get some golden nuggets of advice for an experienced NLHE player migrating to PLO.

What I'm looking for to get started is any tips on ways to quickly count your outs, as up to now, I've kind of just been working with rough estimates, which then obviously have a knock on effect when quickly trying to calculate your equity and so on and secondly, I've been a bit nitty running at 21/6 over 1k hands as I don't really know which hands play well from which position and what kind of range I should be looking for in each position(6max).

So basically, I'm not a poker beginner but I'm treating PLO as if I'm a complete novice. Any advice, no matter how basic you feel it may be will be appreciated and digested.

I look forward to chatting with you all and hopefully learning a lot in a short space of time.

Hi Reg,

welcome to the forums. Just as in HE, you can estimate your profitability of winning by multiplying your outs by 4 on the flop, and by 2 on the turn. In Omaha, however, you have to be very careful, which outs will actually make you win the hand, as your opponent may hold similar draws or you may be dominated; so your outs have to be discounted. as a general rule, it is helpful to just count outs to the nuts. also if you draw to a straight, you have to discount the cards which pair the board, as well as cards which make a flush possible.

With regard to position you can open your range in the CO and BTN considerably, and you should play tighter in EP, Omaha is a game mainly about position.

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wow !

hehe i thought that, but then its NLHE so you can prolly play double the amount of tables you are able to at PLO - its still a good effort tho!

welcome to the forum

I don't live with my children, so they aren't as time consuming as they would be if they lived with me but I do like to provide for them more than your average estranged father and my grinding at good times such as the weekend has been restricted as that is the time I get to see them the most.

I generally played 8-10 tables for around 3 hours per day.

As I learn Omaha, I don't expect to be playing more than 4-5 tables, so my volume will be significantly reduced.

Nik

I know how to calculate my equity once I know how many outs I have, what I have struggled with so far is actually working out how many clean outs I have in the heat of battle. I expect that will get a lot easier with experience, I just wondered if there were any neat little tricks to count outs quicker.

Another question I have, is, is it ok to open limp with some hands in EP that you wouldn't neccesarily want to call a 3bet with, such as decent suited rundown cards. Obviously, open limping in 6max NLHE is bad but is at equally as bad in PLO?

I don't know about tricks for counting outs but with experience comes a better feeling for recognizing nut & non-nut outs. Evenly important though, especially for former NLHE players, is dealing with the importance of blockers. Guess all of that will come with playing hands.

open limping in PLO is certainly not as bad as in NLHE, I would keep it kind of limited though. Decent rundowns are perfect for 3bets. My open limping range in EP consists of hands that I don't wanna play in too big pots but that I'm willing to call a PFR with. 77**-JJ**ss, 3card rundowns with lower gaps etc.