Hi, im trying to solve a hand from the turn forward to see if my XR/JAM was good, i built what i thought was a proper tree in monker, was seeking confirmation of this.

I realize the beauty of a solver is not in going through a hand and just using it to confirm a play being good or bad, that is not my intention. however,
In the back of my mind i worry, am i not giving it enough options, thus forcing it to choose between two -ev options, or, does this tree look appropriate?

hand


tree and turn/riv ss



thank you in advance

Confused about your solver inputs... but intuitively your play seems terrible. You're raising turn with non-nut blockers when villain can easily have JT. And then you pot river after representing the nut straight OTT when the board has paired. Which means you're repping QJT9 and that hand isn't just limp/calling pre from CO either.

Poker's dead, even fish learning to use solvers now

at least the drawing is nice

QFT. Pack it up bois, we're done here.

It's good then that I rely more in intuition more than solvers.

As for the hand I'm wondering why OP didn't just lead turn after villain showed weakness OTF. Frankly based on my limited understanding of Omaha a flush draw to the 3rd nuts + gut shot to the nuts + blockers to bad straights is not a good enough hand to c/r even if we can remove all sets but 88 from villain's range.

Actually come to think of it I think the hand is much more interesting for the villain. I think I'm on board with checking back OTF with top & bottom and only a BDNFD as backup. Then the turn is where things get interesting. We pick up an OESD which is likely live since OP showed no interest in this hand up to this point and still are holding onto the flopped 2pair. So we pot it and get check raised to 3x our bet. I would guess our hand is too strong to fold given the draw we got + the 2pair so we call. River is obviously a shove since OP is now committed with any value hand and we are rarely beat. Or did I make a mistake somewhere?

I'm confused why you called river. If you have 0% to win, you're never getting the odds to call a raise. As F_I said, you went from repping one hand ott to a different one otr so your line's pretty bad.

confirm..my instincts are still better than the solver..
I would not play my hand this way and use are solver for the analysis LOL

Yeah it was ******ed. I repped straight or flush then board paired voiding that. I guess arguably I had some of the blockers to the nuts (Kq qJ ) type hands, and figured on riv I couldn't win at SD. Turn was a semi bluff I was gonna fold to a rr. Can I post another hand from the Trainwreck session before I'm banned.
However, is solver tree ok?

Solver tree is not ok, you can only xr turn or xf.

I needed to make call an option? I didn't think it's a call since I'm drawing to non nf and don't have odds so I assumed It was either a rr or a fold.

You don't tell solver what to do, solver tells you what to do

Limping is solver approved

i'm not sure about all this gto stuff and balance and all that but surely there has to come a point when something is just flat out spew and this is it. i wouldn't listen to any 'solver' that tells you to play a hand like this when we're clearly beat.

isn't the point of ranges that they are supposed to narrow with extra information ie 'his range is that we are beat and only that we are beat and we have basically 2 outs to even come close to making the best hand' ?

the river lead is god awful

What does the solver think of the river call? Surely we're not good 8.43/231.68 = 3.6% of the time. That's one in 28. Our real equity is like one in thousands (several thousands)

I am not sure if this thread is a joke or not. We make a solver analysis on THIS hand ins this spot for real??

well i didnt lead the river, i rr the turn with an arguably bad semibluff, missed, then jammed r.
i called the rr on riv of 8bb into like 200 just because it was pennies on the dollar to see what he had, and i was obviously beaten at that point.
I guess my main question is whether or not a turn XR is ok there (and why or why not) and then, when it misses, why do i not jam the riv?
and, finally, if i did want to go back with a solver and analyze my play, what kind of a tree would i construct to do so, given the hand starts with him potting me OTT

its not a troll, there is a lot of fluoride in the water where i live

8bb isn't pennies on the dollar it's still a significant amount. A decent wr for someone might be 3bb/100 hands and you've just thrown away 8bb for "info" - Info alone isn't worth 8bb. He obviously had you beat since nobody is jamming there as a bluff and that's all the info you need.

x/r OTT is bad because JT is a very reasonable part of villains flop x-back range and he has decided to pot the turn.

River shove is terrible because we don't rep anything and we don't have any blockers to a FH.

I think the river shove is probably the worst decision of the hand. He called your turn c/r, so he has to have something pretty good, and you've got spades so surely a set or 2 pair + draw is one of the most likely hands he can have. Plus even if he has T6 there is no guarantee he's folding it, since he evidently didn't believe you on the turn and now your line makes even less sense.

Semi bluffing on the turn (probably more commonly with a bet, but even with a c/r) is fine imo.