$5/$5 w ante

Villain1 UTG fairly competent player opens pot to $40

V2 clueless fairly passive goofball calls
Button calls
Hero in the BB with TT57 two diamonds and call

Flop ($200)
QT9 rainbow 1 diamond

Hero(covers) checks

V1 ($430)who Cbets way too often bets $100half pot

V2 raises to $300
Would assume he has a straight but hard to say
Could have a set or top two

Hero asks v1 if he pushes does it re open pot, "no" hero calls ?????

V1 flat calls

Turn ($1,100) black 7
K T 9 7

Hero checks
V1 leads all in for ($130)
V2 all in for ($470)

1,700 out there to win if hero calls another 470

470/2170= 21.6%

Hero ????

9 outs but I could have 1 out and probably decent bit of my outs removed since they're both hitting that flop

Please put stack sizes of each player, yourself and the Vs. It can change the decisions drastically if you have 400bbs or 50bbs.

It's 93 bbs to call their allins, so effective stack size can be that at most. I'd check-fold the flop but if I'm in this far I probably call and go home.

this hand is an absolute abortion

Fold the flop.

If you want to realize your equity for hitting a full house, just shove the flop, because this will ALWAYS happen turn, and if you don't like it then you should have folded flop.

I really hate when I see this response, but.....FOLD PRE.

Also, fold flop. However, since you didn't do either of those things, you must now continue to put chips into this pot, followed by praying, followed by buying more chips.

Ughhh hate folding big pairs pre vs fish if we are deep enough. I feel the call pre is fine. We start hand with over 100bb effective right?

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Folding pre is horrible

don't fold pre...
fold flop...
call turn...

(don't give your hand away by table talk...)

you guys do realize that he is not open folding right? some dude made it 8bbs to go.

since you made this thread you should be folding pre.

Fold pre. It's not close. And lol @ "big pairs"

http://i.imgur.com/Zjx14mw.png

I usually agree with most of the stuff you post but seriously this one...

Hero has $5 in the middle and has to call $35 more with a hand that is garbage OOP in a multiway pot. I understand that we get like 5-6:1 but imo that is not enough.

As played we hit top 15%-20% of flops for our hand and still hate life. There go the pot odds. Also the value of having JJ or TT blockers goes down significantly without position and with every extra player in the pot.

we've to call $35 in $200..that's 17.5%

we flop top two or better about 16%...

ofc majority of our sets will be on poss str8/flush boards...
our trips will have poor kickers...
our flushes want see a sd w/o further betting,etc.

tho...our implied when flopping a set aren't too bad
we flop
-top set 46%
-middle set 43%
-bottom set 11%

ballpark $175 implied (a std cbet sizing) on 10% of flops is our threshold...
i honestly think we got that...
...due to the fact that our pocket is "big" enough...

holding a lower pair we should ofc fold...

....

"Don't fold pre, we are getting a great price, also TT is a big pair now apparently...."

(Hero flops middle set)

"Fold flop..."

Wait, what?

"It's not close" , plo solved
/thread