So I generally played PLO online but decided to try it out live.

Now this is a 2/2 PLO game but the min buy in is $200 and the max is $500. 9 max.

Stacks generally get up to $1000+ and VPIP are generally 80%+ and pots are usually always multi way with more than half the table calling. Sometimes i'm the only player who folds pre. I've even seen players with 10k+ sitting in this game, it's that insane.


So the game shouldn't be too hard to beat but seems to very swingy. How much $$$ should I bring? My generally strategy is to bring $1500 and buy in for $2 - $300 at a time.


I generally limp/call with high wraps like T987+ / QQxx+ and any suited Axxx. I will also play hands like JJT8 and the absolute bottom of my range might be TT97.

I find that raising pre doesn't accomplish much as people will never 3bet - not even AAxx - and the pot will just go multi way where I have to flop the nuts or strong draw to continue.


I will try and limp raise suited aces and really good KKxx but have been on the bad side of variance in my last session and each time I did that I was called by absolute trash and they won.

so my questions - how much should I bring to this game? Is $1500 enough? What should my bankroll be to start playing in this game. Is 20K enough?


How deep will I have to be to not want to 3bet AAxx or wraps OOP? I find that these are extremely difficult to play when i'm deep and OOP. I like to think that $200 is 100BB and $500 is 250BB, but sometimes there is a straddle but it doesn't seem to change much as everyone likes to call pre anyways.


The other day a guy played every hand at this game and ran his stack up from $300 to $3000 in 2 hours. IT was quite interesting to watch his change in emotion from being stuck $1000 to up $2000 haha.

Any ways thanks for the advice.

In before, "where is the game?"

With any great live poker game, the daily stop loss should equal the amount of losses it takes for you to go on uncontrollable tilt and abandon your A game.

If the game is great and your mental state is good or better, play on!

This is like every small stakes live game in Europe. The catch is you get 10 hands per hour.

buy in deeper if you can

home game around DC

Hi.

I live in Bethesda. Please get me into this game.

Buy in as deep as you can IMO and just reload as needed. I think a 20k roll is probably sufficient.

Yes. Swings will be huge. Always buy in max and cover marks. I would want 50k minimum to play the game. I would be most comfy with 100k.

Youre going to be.called a nit in this lineup and youre going to print money. =)

If your roll is 50k. I wouldnt want 10-15 percent at risk in one session.

Id bring 5k. If I ran it up id stop win it at the 10-15k mark. Rinse and repeat. Congratulations on retiring early.

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Why would he do that? I mean come on. Lol.

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Generally its a snap three bet if you can get 25-30 % of your stack in pre. No matter how many players just follow that simple model oop or ip.

In position its a different story and you prolly wanna three bet your aces deep or shallow.

But ya if I am in sb with 5k and guy makes it 25 with a couple of callers im prolly just flatting my random aces most of the time.

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ya - im not trying to push small edges because I just don't get to see many hands - and my ideal goal is to let a bunch of these donks in so I can set over set them or flush over flush them.

If I 3bet and go heads up - I won't let the fish in.

Here is an example hand


Hero holds AdJdTx6x and calls a $10 raise mid position - Stacks are like $400 effective

6 players to flop - $60


984 all diamonds

Checks to hero who bets $30
Random guy calls $30
Fish pots it with weaker flush
Hero jams
Every one else folds

Hero basically wins a $800+ pot with fish drawing dead.

Now say my hand was AdJdAx4x - would you 3bet and drive the fish out?

Definitely something to be said in juicy loose plo games where everyone plays bad post flop, for three betting less.

You have to kinda deduce if you three betting disincentivizes the fish behind you enough to fold their crappy holdings.


Now if they are snugger pre I three bet less. If they don't.give.a.darn and.are.determined to see flop ill three bet as usual.

But generally if they are that bad post then they are that bad pre and will still cold call. Given the information, id three bet that aa hand you mentioned in your example. (The one where I hit nut diamonds)

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Honestly I go to games like this, and your best bet is not to ISO or play that way... You just wanna limp along with them with nutty drawing hands like even A456ds etc and KQ JT and avoid hands like 4567 or 6789.

That way they will always get married to their under sets to you and under flushes to you.

And the big key here is that they won't ever call you good or a nit, they'll remain fooled into thinking they are always on the wrong side of coolers and that you run really good.
And the reason that is the key is because if these whales start to think you're too good or too tight, they won't invite you anymore - so setting the right image will be extremely +EV in the long run.

Everything you're saying sounds like Maryland Live 2/2 PLO game and you stated that you live near DC, so almost sounds right... except you said home game.. I think this "home game" is a cover up haha

nah, you don't want to drive the fish away, poor fish, they must have a gambling problem to be this bad.

very sneaky but very insightful lol , nice

Lol wanted to say this

The home game is real - but it's $1/$3 - same thing


Maryland live is an absolute gold mine too LOL

lol

^^ I wouldn't hit and run home games *EVER*
You will be fired from your job (instantly uninvited)

$2500
$500

Sounds like every PLO game I've ever played, except for the low max buy-in, usually I don't see many max buyins below 1000. You can raise pre, it will be called by everyone. You can 3 bet to 50, everyone calls. Stacks will be huge.

Hero seems a bit reluctant to gamble tho...

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your real edge in these games doesn't come from getting all in 4 ways preflop for 200 bucks with 27% equity every 3 hours.

it comes from playing deep stacked where people make huge flop mistakes.

Ya i've been killing the game recently. I don't like to get it in pre since every one seems to call and I just end up a slight favorite.

I am forced to get it in pre sometimes but i've seen multiple people call $500 shoves pre flop with any 4 cards. Even if you have AAKK you are only 40-55% against 3 people so it can be very swingy. I had AAQQ once and it held but I was against 3 people all in! Massive pot I won but putting it into the equity calculator I wasn't a huge favorite.

In these games i've gotten my money in 90%+ on the flop or turn for $700+. That's where I want to be LOL

Just be prepared for the inevitable downswing...

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