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06-29-2021 , 01:32 PM
Full table 2/5 PLO with .50 ante.
Stack sizes are between 800-1700

Hero has image as solid, but slightly passive/tight player.

Table is mix of types of quality, but many loose and aggressive players.

Hero (850 stack) limps UTG with AdKs7s7h. I know, questionable limp.
V1 (known as super aggressive, unpredictable, 1000 stack) limps behind.
V2 (solid player, 1600 stack, knows V1's style) raises to 30.
Hero calls.
V1 re-raises to 130.
V2 calls.
Hero calls. Feedback here?

Flop comes Jc7s2d rainbow.

Hero checks. V1 pots for ~425. V2 shoves.

Is this an obvious call with middle set?
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06-29-2021 , 02:15 PM
You labeled V1 as super aggressive therefore before you open limped you should have known it was likely you were going to face a raise. Non ace suited hands with middle pairs like 88, 77 and 66 play poorly and can be easily folded UTG instead of open limped if the game is aggressive preflop.

You have should have not got to the flop in this situation, but now that you are here, given the low under SPR 2 you can stack off with middle set especially on a disconnected rainbow flop. You could have lead the flop, but check-raising is fine too.

Full ring games with 8+ players gives you an opportunity to play tight since you are not in the blinds that often. You can stick to playing suited and connected cards. Instead of your AK77, at least AK99 has the 9 able to make a straight. Those small little additions make a huge difference. As does going from Ace suited, King suited and all the way down to rainbow suited.

Last edited by ladybruin; 06-29-2021 at 02:42 PM.
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06-29-2021 , 02:22 PM
Seems like a very bad limp that will more than likely face a raise and gets compounded into a bloated pot where we flop nearly the best flop possible and are still unsure how to proceed. Seems like a clear stack off as played - not too thrilled but if V1 is insanely aggro and V2 knows this, than he should loosen his range slightly.
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06-29-2021 , 02:32 PM
Completely agree with replies so far.

With my UTG limp, I'm expecting to call a raise. I probably should have folded to pf re-raise even after calling original raise, but with the re-raiser being V1, his range is extremely wide and more likely to not be AA or KK based on my experience playing with him, so I thought a A, K, or 7 on flop still potentially puts me ahead.

V2's range includes JJ, and that's who I'm more scared of, tbh, even though he knows V1's range is super wide and he could be raising anything. V1 probably doesnt pot JJ there since the board is so dry.

Outcome: I call all-in, V1 calls. V1 and V2 both have naked J and are drawing mostly dead. I win pot and triple up.
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06-29-2021 , 05:49 PM
Pf is really bad, flop is an obvious get it in.
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06-29-2021 , 07:17 PM
fold pre, this hand is really second best from utg.

definitely go with this hand on the flop.
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06-30-2021 , 05:17 PM
If V1 is super aggressive than jam your hand pre because it has a range advantage over his rundowns, broadway aces etc. If you don’t have the 75 BI Bankroll you need to flip 60/40 spots then quit until you do.
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06-30-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ABCforME
If V1 is super aggressive than jam your hand pre because it has a range advantage.
There is also a V2. V2 is labeled as a "solid player." And it was V2 that put in the initial raise over two limps. Even though the action didn't see V2 re-re-raise and you might eliminate AA from his range, V2 might still have the best equity. And interestingly, Hero headsup versus V1 might have Hero ahead, but Hero versus V1 and V2 might have Hero so dominated by V2 that Hero is now in last place 3-way equity wise. However you run it, in a 3-way all in preflop the entire equity advantage might end up with V2 having over 33% equity, Hero having less than 33% equity and V1 having less than 33% equity.

Last edited by ladybruin; 06-30-2021 at 07:08 PM.
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07-01-2021 , 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pennyis11
Full table 2/5 PLO with .50 ante.
Stack sizes are between 800-1700

Hero has image as solid, but slightly passive/tight player.

Table is mix of types of quality, but many loose and aggressive players.

Hero (850 stack) limps UTG with AdKs7s7h. I know, questionable limp.
V1 (known as super aggressive, unpredictable, 1000 stack) limps behind.
V2 (solid player, 1600 stack, knows V1's style) raises to 30.
Hero calls.
V1 re-raises to 130.
V2 calls.
Hero calls. Feedback here?

Flop comes Jc7s2d rainbow.

Hero checks. V1 pots for ~425. V2 shoves.

Is this an obvious call with middle set?
Fold preflop on first $5 limp if game has any aggressiveness preflop. Even when it doesn't, this hand sucks. 7's are a terrible set to hit, AK is very mediocre. No flushes, very few straights.

After it's raised to 30, fold.

After it's raised to 130, fold.

Welp, you flopped the 2nd nuts. I shrug my shoulders and call it off here. I've seen too much wacky ****. V1 is basically saying he has AA with maybe some backdoors. V2 can be doing this with a lot to isolate. For example, if he knows V1 will do this with AA, if he's got 89T he's definitely doing it, if he even has a hand like J8TQ he might be doing this too especially with some backdoor draws. He technically has to worry about you but your check probably makes him think you are folding.

If someone has JJ, well, that sucks. Pray for quads. This is why you fold it preflop.
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07-01-2021 , 11:45 AM
Can't fold middle set in 3! pot given table dynamics and leveling. Also never playing this hand pre.
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07-01-2021 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
You labeled V1 as super aggressive therefore before you open limped you should have known it was likely you were going to face a raise. Non ace suited hands with middle pairs like 88, 77 and 66 play poorly and can be easily folded UTG instead of open limped if the game is aggressive preflop.

You have should have not got to the flop in this situation, but now that you are here, given the low under SPR 2 you can stack off with middle set especially on a disconnected rainbow flop. You could have lead the flop, but check-raising is fine too.

Full ring games with 8+ players gives you an opportunity to play tight since you are not in the blinds that often. You can stick to playing suited and connected cards. Instead of your AK77, at least AK99 has the 9 able to make a straight. Those small little additions make a huge difference. As does going from Ace suited, King suited and all the way down to rainbow suited.
AK77 & AK99 make the same straight(s). That doesn't make your advice incorrect, just that this specific example doesn't work as a reason why you shouldn't play AK77.
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07-01-2021 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Bullwinkle
AK77 & AK99 make the same straight(s). That doesn't make your advice incorrect, just that this specific example doesn't work as a reason why you shouldn't play AK77.
Good catch, bad example.
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07-11-2021 , 01:59 PM
Pretty much same-o same-o ..

I'd be more worried about V1 with JJxx than V2, but V2 can have 89TJ and KK/QQ types of holdings.

FWIW I find that AK with lower pair holdings either win small or lose big most of the time. It's just hard to get paid without a lot of 5-card opportunities. I'd almost rather have more Ax/Kx two pair possibilities than go set mining.

Also, I know it drives me nuts, but I lose to more middling flushes whereas my K-high flushes seem to lose just as much .. doesn't seem fair but that's my Player pool! GL
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