Curious as to what everyone thinks SB's x/r gii range is. I doubt he will ever x/r bluff here.

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600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: AT6

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdJdKhTs	41.94%	188,030	127,211
789:hh,KJQ:hh,TT,AA,66,AT	58.06%	284,759	127,211

We need 42% to stack off before rake (44% taking rake into account), so versus this range we would need to fold. So the question basically is: are people shoving wider than this, and are people x/r bluffing here some of the time?

Ah:hh

Thanks, forgot that one. didn't feel right that i had to fold top 2 there

I think I'd peel and decide turns

I call the flop c/r and play a turn here.

I often do similar and call top2 on a wet board and reevaluate turn.

The problem is that if our villain is capable he can bomb almost any turn and have us a difficult situation. Any 7,8,9,J,Q,K completes a straight, any hearth completes a flush. The only cards we're comfortable with are non heart wheels. Do you fold if he bombs the turn on any scary card?


As far as ranges go: I think any Ah:hh often c/r here as stated above. In my nano stakes it isn't uncommon to even see a play like this with a KQJ (no hearts) but I don't know how often this happen at your stakes.

Against most opponents, I'm just going with it on any non heart turn.

A/T give us boats, 6 is a neutral card that changes little, all offsuit 5-2 are good, a Q gives us a straight, and offsuit K/J give us more outs against sets+ quite a bit more often than they give villain a straight.

Lastly, on offsuit 7/8/9 turns, it's somewhat impossible for villain to construct a betting range that results in a "difficult situation", because that would entail him check-folding hands as strong as A7:hh, KQJ:hh, and bare AT. If he does that, our EV actually increases, even when we "incorrectly" call it off against his betting range, because that subset of hands has more equity against us than the minimum he needs to gii according to pot odds. And if he check-calls them instead, it's a moot point too. As far as EV goes, him jamming [entire range] is functionally equivalent to him jamming [every hand that beats us] and check-calling [everything else]. (It's technically worse for him because if we are capable of soulreading we can gain EV by folding to his bets. We probably will never do that, but at the very least our EV will remain the same even with "incorrect" calls.)

I took me a while to process all of this information

I see your point and as stated above, I'd also probably call and reevaluate turn.




(I see I still have a long way to understanding ranges and EV in different situations.)

Very good points Rei. I feel this is a very important thing to mention in spots like these.

I have noticed a lot of people like to shove flush draws, even against the odds.
My guest is that villain has Ah xh xx, got top pair plus flush draw and is willing to gamble. Actually, he/she may not be that behind.