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did I miss value here 10/20 did I miss value here 10/20

11-06-2008 , 06:18 PM
Villain is Girl de ipanema, I've probably played like 800 hands with him at my tables today. mostly at 3/6 and 5/10 he prpobably knows im kinda green at 10/20 but whatever. We been getting into it a good amount. She started playing tons of hands when she had position on me. I I've been doing the same but probably not quite as much. Been bluffing and rebluffing a decent amount but not insaine. I feel like if i bet i sorta gotta call a jam but dunno.

Full Tilt Poker $10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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SB: $3620.00
BB: $1060.00
UTG: $350.00
MP: $2027.50
CO: $2258.00
Hero (BTN): $2781.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is BTN with 7 A A T
2 folds, CO raises to $70, Hero calls $70, 1 fold, BB calls $50

Flop: ($220.00) 7 2 A (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $180, Hero calls $180, BB folds

Turn: ($580.00) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $471, CO calls $471

River: ($1522.00) 3 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero requests TIME, Hero checks
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11-06-2008 , 06:30 PM
It's an obvious check for me. I don't see him calling you with just a pair of aces here and I don't see him having aces up much to call you down. Once you bet you have to call a push and that puts your stack at risk with no reason. And if you check you get information what he's calling a near PSB with on that turn.
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11-06-2008 , 06:47 PM
If you missed any value, it was on the turn. I can't see much that will call the river that you beat.
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11-06-2008 , 06:48 PM
::Ramblings of a PLO100 donk who doesnt understand the meta of 10/20

your hand is so well disguised. Is there a reason you dont raise the flop?

The flop is so dry that, once called, villian is unlikely to continue without a set or a low wrap. unless you expeect a second barrell.

Turn check call is strange.

Once the turn is called. its either a bluffcatcher or a draw, half of which get there on the river. I cannot think of many bluff catchers here. I imagie its mostly a str8 draw.

So check behind is fine, or a interesting bet to develop some more meta in your game.
Some weird 2 pair could call. The threat of a check raise bluff is small since your hand is well disguised, and you can easily have a low rundown.
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11-06-2008 , 07:41 PM
I like the flop call. Considering villlain is pfr, I think raising this flop is way too strong (and he fold tons), and allows him to fire lots of 2nd barrels while way behind
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11-06-2008 , 08:11 PM
I like your line. Pretty bad turn and river for you to get action on.
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11-06-2008 , 08:41 PM
Girl de ipanema is most likely plaing 10-12 tables and raising when folded to with a wide range in the cut off, why no 3-bet?
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11-06-2008 , 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ecgruen
Girl de ipanema is most likely plaing 10-12 tables and raising when folded to with a wide range in the cut off, why no 3-bet?
normally i do. its nice for him as a reg to know i can have AA and dont 3bet. just keep 'em guessing i suppose.
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11-08-2008 , 10:21 AM
Ok I have some more thoughts on this hand, after a hot triple shot latte.

The one think that always bothered me about this hand is the turn check/call.

From the villians perspective it seems that either the turn hit you smack in the face or missed you by a mile. He might not be comfortable with a bet/fold or bet/call so he goes for a check call in an atteempt to lt you hang yourself on a bluff. In addition I'm not sure a bare str8 draw call the bet OOP.

This imo polarises his hand to double paired 7s or 2s or the other Aces and some 4577 4677 5677 6778 6779 kind of hands. Do you think 2234 is a valid hand in this range.

If the villian is as intent on meta as you evidently are, then an analysis is kinda moot.
Because once you bet the turn, either you are expected to double barrell bluff or not bluff at all. All this meta is making my head hurt.

Also there are a lot of case cards in my hand ranges, so an analysis might be moot anyway.

There are fewer combos of 77s ad 22s willing to call the river than possible low rundowns that have you beat. So if you are expected to double barell bluff, you should probably pot the turn and check the river pretty fast.

one thing I'm ot sure of is if you can betfold the turn. Although it is very unilkely that the str8 raises this sahara of a board.

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I still believe that a flop raise best disguises our hand, but you seem cofidet that he fires a second bullet a large number of times. So fair enough. Anyway if the river pairs the 5, ad you get it in, this could be a soul crushing blow to any villlian. A evil plan in that sense
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You never shared your thoughts during or after the hand.
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11-08-2008 , 11:55 AM
dude whats the point of your pf line if you flat both the flop and the turn? river is fine..
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11-08-2008 , 12:20 PM
He bet the turn gordo.

I missread the hand, I thuoght you bet the flop and turn so I just thought the only value you missed was from your bet size on the turn.

I still don't mind the flop though since we don't have to worry about much falling. Actaully, I like the flop play given preflop. I'm sure if the board had been a bit more drawy or even hit a range that could possibly call a raise, OP might of entertained the idea of raising, but for this situation, I think it works.
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11-08-2008 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sc000t
He bet the turn gordo.

I missread the hand, I thuoght you bet the flop and turn so I just thought the only value you missed was from your bet size on the turn.

I still don't mind the flop though since we don't have to worry about much falling. Actaully, I like the flop play given preflop. I'm sure if the board had been a bit more drawy or even hit a range that could possibly call a raise, OP might of entertained the idea of raising, but for this situation, I think it works.
woops, nvm then.. yeah, whole hands looks good then.. ive gotta think he's c/cing all random hands that make the A-5 str8 for value in this spot.
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11-08-2008 , 11:12 PM
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11-09-2008 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by uphigh_downlow
I still believe that a flop raise best disguises our hand
Yes, but other than A7/A2/77/22 what can villain put the money in with? This is a fine board to slowplay as wheeldraws are unlikely. There are a lot of good cards between a 7-J that may give him a draw or some sort that will allow us to get more action, and just jam over his turn 2barrel.

Also, action on turn:
CO check
BTN (hero) bet
CO call.
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11-09-2008 , 02:40 AM
i think i raise the flop, g has to be at least somewhat strong to cb into 2 ppl, and u miss an opp not only to stack a lower set, but to balance flop raising ranges etc
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11-09-2008 , 10:47 AM
I don't care what cute excuse you make for it, flatting AA on the Button against a CO raise is ******ed. ESPECIALLY if you two have been playing back at each other light. If you want to show you can flat AAxx, try doing it when you're OOP or have ****ty aces or are at least facing a raise that looks strong.

I also think raising small on the flop to make it look like you have a weak made hand that will fold to a 3-bet is better than calling. I think you could definitely get something like 7543 or AKxx to shove on you if you take that line. (Side note: Don't feel like actually searching my database for stats on this player to see if he'd be likely to make that kind of move.)
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