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10-25-2019 , 01:17 PM

djevans

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I am playing an 8 handed omaha game and every one has about $1000+ infront of them. People don't fold pre in this game, so $250 preflop pots usually go 3 - 4 way pre.

I have $1400 and am probably the only player who hasn't gone completely nuts in this gold mine game.

So I am playing a deep 1/2/5 omaha and get A

UTG.

I open to $15
1 caller
and another play min clicks it to $35
3 more callers and it's back to me.

I think I can make it $220-$250 can't remember

Should I pot it, or just call and keep my hand disguised.

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10-25-2019 , 02:23 PM

Odoacer

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I open for pot, 4-bet for pot and depending on the SPR and the flop get it in or not

I understand that you are worried that everyone puts you on AA after a 4-bet, but on a crazy table like this with opponents that like to click it back I would 4-bet wider than AA.

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10-25-2019 , 02:52 PM

+EVillain

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I would def rip it djevans. AAQTss oop qualifies. You wna thin the field, reduce the SPR, and create more visibility/clarity otf.

I would be curious to know where the callers were sitting. If both blinds called the 35, and you had rainbow/disconnected AA I would probs flat (and it looks looks like monker agrees)

I wouldn’t be concerned about the transparency of your range, we have that luxury more in deepstack NL but in this spot I belive you should mash it in

Last edited by +EVillain; 10-25-2019 at 02:58 PM.

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10-25-2019 , 02:58 PM

djevans

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adactdqh 27.34% 159,506 9,452
xxxx 14.56% 79,018 17,498
xxxx 14.53% 78,924 17,319
xxxx 14.60% 79,316 17,348
xxxx 14.48% 78,647 17,337
xxxx 14.49% 78,681 17,381

Thin edge for sure if no one folds.

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10-25-2019 , 03:25 PM

Adebisi

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What are you talking about thin edge? That’s a massive edge. Thin edge would be like you’re 17.5, they’re all 16.5.

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10-25-2019 , 04:05 PM

djevans

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I dunno, I just feel like i'm going to check/fold so many flops and not really know which ones are good for me unless I smash it.

In game the flop came T99 and I was forced to fold when someone potted and someone else repotted. I feel like if I just called pre it could of been a better play.

It was like T9xx and Q9xx and the T9 scooped.

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10-25-2019 , 04:13 PM

derjan

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Yeah that's poker

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10-25-2019 , 06:39 PM

no_regrets

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Rip it all day.

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10-26-2019 , 07:05 AM

PokerPlayingGamble

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click it back

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10-26-2019 , 09:11 AM

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illiterat

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Originally Posted by djevans

In game the flop came T99 and I was forced to fold when someone potted and someone else repotted.

LOL. Did you somehow check? Or is everyone so bad they donked Q9 with like 1 SPR?

I mean, I've played in gold mine games where I lost 100s of BB ... that doesn't make good plays bad, just because you lost.

I even remember one time I 3bet KK in NLHE to like 30bb and got 2 cold callers and the original raiser on a KdTd4d and lost less than POT to 9d8d. Sure showed me, now I don't raise KK anymore in NLHE as it can easily get outdrawn /s.

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10-26-2019 , 02:11 PM

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djevans

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Originally Posted by illiterat

It was a 5 or 6 way pot and I checked the flop. CO pots and SB repots and I fold. Someone bet like $100 and SB jams. I am against 20 unknown cards and if someone has a 9 i'm crushed.

Your equity advantage with KK and AAQT is vastly different as I can show you here. Also in this game max buyin is $700 so me keeping my $1500 stack was also a factor as I covered a few of the donkeys.

KdKh 37.93% 226,693 2,509
xx 12.39% 70,535 8,507
xx 12.37% 70,385 8,582
xx 12.47% 71,022 8,552
xx 12.40% 70,582 8,543
xx 12.44% 70,801 8,593

Last edited by djevans; 10-26-2019 at 02:17 PM.

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10-26-2019 , 02:40 PM

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no_regrets

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You're leaving a lot of EV on the table by not ripping it pre.

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10-28-2019 , 04:15 AM

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OmahaDonk

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Quote:

Originally Posted by djevans

adactdqh 27.34% 159,506 9,452
xxxx 14.56% 79,018 17,498
xxxx 14.53% 78,924 17,319
xxxx 14.60% 79,316 17,348
xxxx 14.48% 78,647 17,337
xxxx 14.49% 78,681 17,381

Thin edge for sure if no one folds.

600*.2734 = 164.04

Big edge

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Originally Posted by djevans

or just call and keep my hand disguised.

Keeping your hand disguised doesn't matter as much in a 6 way flop at SPR 1

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10-29-2019 , 12:19 PM

#14

F_Ivanovic

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Originally Posted by djevans

adactdqh 27.34% 159,506 9,452
xxxx 14.56% 79,018 17,498
xxxx 14.53% 78,924 17,319
xxxx 14.60% 79,316 17,348
xxxx 14.48% 78,647 17,337
xxxx 14.49% 78,681 17,381

Thin edge for sure if no one folds.

Omaha isn't the game for you if you think that edge is thin. If you can't handle the variance then maybe you are playing too high a stake game?

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10-29-2019 , 05:03 PM

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illiterat

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Originally Posted by djevans

It was a 5 or 6 way pot and I checked the flop. CO pots and SB repots and I fold. Someone bet like $100 and SB jams. I am against 20 unknown cards and if someone has a 9 i'm crushed.

At the time I assumed you must have raised pre. and were trying to make sure it was good, because it turned out bad.

Sure, I guess, if you see the flop for $35 5 ways you can play your great hand just for set/straight/flush value and are setting fire to money to lower variance a bit ... even though it might not feel like it.

You are in the perfect spot to put basically all the chips in knowing you are making money shoving pretty much 100% of flops (including this one happily). Like even if you only ever do this play with AA, it just doesn't matter because everyone's choice is to give you the ~$150 in the pot for free or get more money in bad.

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

Omaha isn't the game for you if you think that edge is thin. If you can't handle the variance then maybe you are playing too high a stake game?

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