2nd nut flush cooler?
can't see ho else i could have played it:

I'd have played it the same, expect maybe c/c river to induce from weaker hand...or maybe try to CR turn...

how often do 2nd and 3rd nut win though?
seems to me most times when it feels like someone's on the fd, they are on the A high fdraw

I think you answered it yourself.

That's why betting it on river after leading the turn seems to have little value...because most likely only the hand that is beating you can call...whereas if you check, a weaker hand might bet it. Also, that's why I would try and cr the turn...if that didn't work (ie., he checked behind), I'd check-call most rivers.

If you want to be a real nit, you can c/f the river. I just don't like leading on that board, as we are not deep enough to b/f.

bet fold or check call leads to the same amount in this case though...on the river.

It's all situational:

In this spot, by the time villan calls the turn, he prob has NFD a decent amount of time . He peeled flop 3 ways with 1 player behind and only 1 legititimate SD combo. Sets woulda raised flop, 2 prs likely woulda raised flop/turn, lesser FD's likely fold turn.

But if you and a LAG go HU to a flop say BTN vs. SB with shallowish SPR, LAG won't have NFD enough of the time for you to worry about.



Its truly a feel thing and the more you play, the better you get at it.


Also, some of it is variance obv. You'll go through stretches where it feels like you can only be shown Nuts and Nutted draws, overboats, overpairs, oversets, and overdraws.. You'll also go through streteches where you'll think, "OMGeverybody is so fishy, they never have it/get it in soooo light etc."


BTW, this hand is WP.

In this case, yes. Because he had the nuts and the spr low....but in general, if he didn't have the nuts, what hand did you expect to call given that you had the 2nd nuts? By checking, you might be able to induce a nut-blocker move, or some weird hand that might want to bluff/thin value bet the river.

Generally, in this sort of situation, I much prefer c/c than to lead.

not liking betting this flop, it's so hard to turn barrel profitably.

Anyway better flush draws are pretty heavy in his range

Do not like this line at all.

Raise smaller preflop (nitpick)
not betting flop (important)
Turn is interesting...
River is a check (important)

People saying wp are bad

If you're not betting this flop are you c/f? I think flop is a bet/fold. Turn is fine as well. I'm undecided on the river shove. Although you are taking away any bluffing range from him there aren't a lot of draws that didnt get there. If he turned a straight draw with QT or 8T he gets there and I have a hard time thinking he'll fold. He may even call with KJ if he's bad enough. I think his hero call hands outweigh what his bluffing range would be so I don't mind the shove but if it's close enough to have to think this hard about it it probably isn't much of a leak either way.

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Without having any info on villain, checking river seems like missing value --- plo25, from my memory - and even at higher than that - people chase any fluhsdraw and pair to the grave.... But they are going to cbehind all their baby flushes if we check.

I think pre is fine sizing... I agree with not betting flop.

I raised preflop so if I am not betting the flop then I lost that momentum and the reaosn for the pf raise, no?

Doesn't bet/fold show more profit in the long run than check/call?
With bet/fold you win extra bets when villain is behind (yes, I can't fold in this scenario as he's all in).
With check/call, they may be behind but you didn;t gain any extra equity.

Momentum is largely irrelevant in 3+ way pots, especially on non-dry flops. 3 way and on drawy (wet) boards, it's more about hand strength.

You also have a not unreasonable amount of equity, b/fing means you dont get to realize any of it.

wp!

btw if you get 3B pre by someone IP, you fold yea?

double suited qq is strong enough to call a 3bet oop vs most people...

with 34 and ds who isn't it ? QQ56ds and its pretty sick hand for busting overpair

Only folding depending on how short their stack is and if they ahve good strat, but not folding anyway because just open smaller

c/c turn is wrong?

which hands call this flop bet?

my line oop is pot bet - c/call turn - c/call river or c/r river (oppo dependent)