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Commit to the bluff on the river? Commit to the bluff on the river?

08-24-2015 , 01:12 PM
PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 130.4 BB (VPIP: 78.57, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 28)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.96, PFR: 15.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.26, Hands: 615)
BTN: 139.6 BB (VPIP: 70.83, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
SB: 35.2 BB (VPIP: 85.08, PFR: 25.97, 3Bet Preflop: 5.13, Hands: 369)
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 91 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 5.56, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 1.4 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.8 BB) Hero has 9 A 6 5

UTG checks, MP calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.6 BB, Hero checks

Flop: (5.4 BB, 5 players) Q 8 A
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets 5.2 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.2 BB, fold

Turn: (15.8 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, MP bets 15.2 BB, Hero raises to 33.4 BB, MP calls 18.2 BB

River: (82.6 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, MP checks


I felt that a Q would connect a lot with villain. How would you guys interpret this river or would you just take a passive line in this spot.
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08-24-2015 , 01:55 PM
What do you want to achieve by miniraising turn? Pot it or just call.
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08-24-2015 , 08:30 PM
I would have c/r flop w/tp and nfd.

heck, since he's 80% vpip, I would have c/r flop with just the nfd.

as played, c/r pot on turn!
get value from tp, nfd, and wrap!
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08-24-2015 , 08:34 PM
Yeh, I raised the turn to shove river, I just felt Q hit him far too much. Hey well, should've just commited.
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08-24-2015 , 10:15 PM
I don't like check/calling the flop. By check/calling our hands looks exactly like what it is and we probably won't win much, if we hit our flush. Check/Raising is ok, I think, although we have only the NFD against his gii range. I think donking on the flop and calling a raise is fine. On this turn I will get it in, no matter, how flop plays after donk.


As played pot turn. After minraising turn, I don't bluff river. He can have so many queens here and might even herocall with AKxx/AJxx, since the FD missed and our line looks like a missed FD.
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08-24-2015 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MadDogMoody
Yeh, I raised the turn to shove river, I just felt Q hit him far too much. Hey well, should've just commited.
ahh.. have enough $ left to bet near pot on the river.

fancy play syndrome?

what are you trying to rep with the turn min raise?
and if your straight or nfd gets there, do you think he'll call your river pot bet?
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08-24-2015 , 11:03 PM
would still just x/c turn - vill seems to be the loose/passive pre type and u can just value bet river when u hit. when that player type pots in to 4 other players he prob has top 2 or better on the flop, especially since u block the nfd
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08-25-2015 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by this_passing
would still just x/c turn - vill seems to be the loose/passive pre type and u can just value bet river when u hit. when that player type pots in to 4 other players he prob has top 2 or better on the flop, especially since u block the nfd
I agree, villain's not going anywhere with AQ+, and we can play pretty perfect OTR + bluff some KT rivers.
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08-25-2015 , 11:46 AM
Sweet thanks @This_Passing do you generally find its better to just flat vs passive players and when you hit, donk/raise a bet purely cos of their inability to fold? Raising turn doesn't fold Q8, A8 do you not think?
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08-25-2015 , 05:05 PM
As played i would also just c/c turn, not really repping anything good c/r turn. Personally i like donking flop, blasting turn and c/c river. With ur pair of aces u can beat some bluffs. Villain could easily have a hand like k high flush/straight draw combo. If u get re-raised on the flop, easier to see where ur at. Check calling u polarize ur hand imo.

But u asked about the river, i wouldn't raise. Ur right villain could have q easy. But more importantly, by checking u have some showdown value and your turn c/r didn't make too much sense.
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08-26-2015 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDogMoody
Sweet thanks @This_Passing do you generally find its better to just flat vs passive players and when you hit, donk/raise a bet purely cos of their inability to fold? Raising turn doesn't fold Q8, A8 do you not think?
it's villain/situation dependent, but yea if a passive player is showing a lot of strength then trying to get them to fold is a bad idea. no they wouldn't fold AQ, not sure villain has Q8 in this case. they usually get married to their hand which is why it's easier to get value when u hit
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08-27-2015 , 01:33 AM
Would x/c turn but I feel like x/c flop is missing a ton of value from all 4 of these players' ranges on this specific texture. I'd start worrying about x/c when there's a good player in the pot.
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