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01-12-2015 , 12:43 PM
What do you think about this spot? Call or not Call?

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01-12-2015 , 12:54 PM
His bet is extremely small, too small to even see clearly, so I'd call!
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01-12-2015 , 01:00 PM
lol... you are fun.

pot 168, villian bets pot, hero has 133 left to call. I have my opinion and really would appreciate opinions with an short explanation. I have my own one but would like to know yours first. This hand was part of a training video. Thats the reason i am asking... ;-)
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01-12-2015 , 01:09 PM
I got it:



What the hell happened preflop?

I'm definitely calling. It should be slightly -EV at worst, and I'm assuming the purpose of the video was to demonstrate spew techniques, so obviously we have to follow through and gamble it up.
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01-12-2015 , 01:27 PM
i tell you what happend preflop:

Hero 3bets CO and wants to float. SB makes it 54 preflop and CO and Hero Call. And now we have this situation... Does this help?
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01-12-2015 , 01:29 PM
In that case it's a snap call.
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01-12-2015 , 01:34 PM
lets see if there are other opinions. And may i ask why you would "snap" call?
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01-12-2015 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 4e27
lets see if there are other opinions. And may i ask why you would "snap" call?
why would anyone 3bet that hand in the first place if he plans to fold to the tiniest piece otf?

and how tf do you only 3bet 7% in my db???
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01-12-2015 , 02:42 PM
??? I 3bet 7%.. Who cares.

Question is only, if this hand is a call nor not. So you want to tell me now that this hand is a clear call when i understand you right.
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01-12-2015 , 03:11 PM
it is a call.
and it's not a 3b pre.

you make training videos? where?
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01-12-2015 , 03:26 PM
LOL. I am really not making training videos. If i would these would be only for people who play for the first time plo.

The 3bet isn`t that crazy preflop because the idea of hero was clear: try to 3bet and play heads up against CO. This ended up in a 4bet call against SB.

But what i am really interested in is now: Why would you all call?

My opinion is: Clear fold!
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01-12-2015 , 03:28 PM
Give SB a sensible 4bet range and run propokertools sim, you'll see hero got >33% equity

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Originally Posted by cbt
you make training videos? where?
stevistoned makes training videos for RunItOnce, OP is not him.
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01-12-2015 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ogwi
stevistoned makes training videos for RunItOnce, OP is not him.
There speaks someone who knows things. So may i ask whats your opinion related to this little "quiz"?
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01-12-2015 , 03:35 PM
given how the hand played PF this is easy call.
He loves a 2
Likes a 789
Enjoys 4,5,T,Q
and typically mehs everycard that isnt a A J 6

hes getting better than a pot bet price that he needs 33.3% to call off against

you don't 3b this hand PF to fold in 4b pots with a piece.
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01-12-2015 , 04:07 PM
OK. I posted this hand only because i want to learn. My thought is: Why would i risk 133$ in this spot when there are a lot of possibile hands that villian can have that would crush me. Of course there are a lot of hands that opponent can have where i get the necassary odds. BUT aren`t there also a lot of hands that would dominate me so bad that i would hope that i haven`t called? Aren`t the chances of beeing dominated to hard are imo much higher than the chance to get good odds to call.

I don`t know how to put this but my "feeling" says: Better avoid this confrontation and safe the money for a better spot because i think i would reduce also variance with a fold. I always prefer not to call if a play looks like +-EV for me when i am obv the dog.
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01-12-2015 , 06:35 PM
Call and not even close. Obviously villain 4b preflop. But you know, it could have happened such that it was a multiway 3b pot, which dramatically increases the chance of running into the set rather than the aces, which you only have backdoor equity against.

Also thanks for the stats on simona (and yourself)

A mod needs to step in and delete thread imo. Although plenty of streamers reveal stats on opponents. I don't think it is cool.
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01-13-2015 , 07:39 AM
There is no need to delete the post because of the stats i think. The hand is taken from a training video and so these stats are available for everyone.

But i still don`t think that i would call here. I can live with the statement that it is +-0 EV (or maybe very, very slight +EV) to call and therefore i would save the money that i would call with to reduce variance in general. Not "necessary" to call here.
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01-13-2015 , 07:49 AM
call now but i don't think i would 3bet that pre-flop
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01-13-2015 , 01:59 PM
guys like this play 100nl?

This is why playing lolstakes tilts me.
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01-13-2015 , 02:20 PM
Calling now nets +$22 EV vs AAxx.
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