My hand is just so mediocre the whole way. As played is this just a fold? Anyone raise T?

GG Poker - $0.25 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 127.44 BB
SB: 34.92 BB
BB: 68.04 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 93.32 BB
Hero (CO): 101.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K T 7 4

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, BB raises to 10.6 BB, Hero calls 7.2 BB

Flop: (21.6 BB, 2 players) 4 J T
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (21.6 BB, 2 players) Q
BB bets 10.8 BB, Hero calls 10.8 BB

River: (43.2 BB, 2 players) K
BB bets 43.2 BB, Hero?

That’s a tough spot. It really depends upon the history of the opponent. If it’s an unknown I would probably call the turn and fold the river.

I would probably fold this hand pre-flop. PLO matrix show the lowest DS KT7 combo RFI to be KT75.....

Why you didn't bet the flop? I would bet/fold small on the flop and jam this turn.

There are not a lot of turns we like, accept diamonds. He prob has a lot of AA and AK in his range so the Q isn't that good for us.

As played call turn fold river. If you boat up or get an flush you could call rive, i,o.

well played easy river fold

I don't think river is tough at all. Pretty well played if you folded, I play it exactly the same.

I prefer checking flop but betting is not the worst. I don't think you get x/r that much, or shouldn't anyway. Also population's check range on this board tends to be weaker than they're supposed to be.

Is this a gto open pre?

Vision has it as open in the CO but only ds.

It's an open in certain rake, I don't have a .25 sim, but I assume it might be a gto fold, but still within the bounds of reason.

Agreed it's a fold GTO, but SB and BB both shorter stacked and assumed weaker players, happy to play a few more hands with them.

Hero folded. Thanks for review all.

Bolded is dangerous thinking. You're paying more rake to loosen up and take smaller edges with effective stacks that actually dictate that you should be more selective preflop. (Basically: shorter stacks means we really emphasize higher cards. 7 and 4 are not high cards.)

I think I undervalue random ds combos, but ditching relatively unplayable ones like this preflop is no huge loss. At these stakes, you've got to think about rake almost as much as you need to think about your opponents (maybe more, honestly, given how weak the level of play tends to be).

As played (I've largely grunched this thread): you kind of need to bet flop. You block KQ a little (which helps), and there just aren't many good runouts for you. Even if your two-pair holds up, you're unlikely to know it. I think you need to take a shot at denying their equity.

Turn is fine as-played. We're too middling to raise: we don't have so much equity that we're stoked to grow the pot and we don't have so little that we're stoked to deny villain's equity. I just take the very attractive price and go to the next street with position.

River fold is pretty standard, I think. Any ace-broadway combo wins, and villain should have a lot of those.

fold pre to 3B..our connectivity is garbage and were going to be in spots like these a ton of the time. weird 2 pairs + not so strong FD, pair + bad gutter, you get the point. our gaps are 2-2-2..thats a open/fold to 3B..2-0-0,2-1-0,2-0-1 are better options to call 3B.

Vision/Monker have it as a call vrs BB 3b. Are you advocating playing tighter than GTO which is already considerably tighter than population? I would assume that a profitable player vrs the pool should be able to make more hands profitable not fewer.

You CANNOT fold this to a 3b HU IP.

I'm advocating for having easier decisions postflop against a known tighter range (population doesn't 3B near enough) . Although we are IP, but still. We are going to make less nut straights and less top 2 pairs with redraws.

*edit ill open monker and see..I have a 50plo solve and a 200plo solve. Ill post both

fold pre..@ 50PLO

fold pre @ 200plo...(OP specific combo at least)

kt98(2-0-0) is open/call, kt87(2-1-0) is open/call,kt97(2-0-1) is open/call with 10% 4B

@ 200plo

Rake is an enormous consideration at PLO25. I don't know what rake settings Vision uses, but given the price tag I would definitely not assume it's tuned to typical PLO25 rates.

At least thegibson is showing us "hey, with both PLO50 and PLO200 rake, take a look at Monker". (Which site's rake exactly, we don't know. We can only assume it isn't wildly off from OP's situation.)

Its set for ignition/global , 5% with $3.00 cap.

" I don't know what rake settings Vision uses,'

PLO 500 zoom rake.

Interesting. It even shows the DS ones as negative EV.

Where are you guys getting the info that Vision is set for 5% rake with 3$ cap? I'm not disputing it but would like to verify.

If you're the one using Vision for preflop reference and even you don't know this, then I think it's a fairly questionable approach, to be honest.

Using solver-computed strategies without fully appreciating the built-in assumptions is not great.

Here's a source, though.

Appealing to unexploitable PLO500 ranges for a PLO25 question is just, like, triply misguided imo.

I'm not sure where you're going with this. You seem to have some sort of axe to grind. If Vision assumes rake what is the problem? You seem to advocate tightening pre flop ranges further than what Monker/Vision suggest because its PLO 25 and the players are worse/looser? This does not make sense.

plo500 ranges are going to be significantly different from plo25. reason being:

rake for plo 500 ( where i play) is 5% with $4.00 cap. which is 0.8 BBs
rake for plo 25 (where i play ) is 5% with $3.00 cap. which is 12 BBs

if you think that there wont be different ranges then you are hugely mistaken. i had a solve for plo25 on my old HDD that crashed and it advocated for lower RFI, lower CC IP, lower CC from BB ( almost 0 from SB) , and actually a higher 3B than PLO 200 BB v BU. reason being is there is higher incentive to take it down preflop due to there being no rake pre.

*edit*
vision using a 500z rake.

500z rake - 4.5% with $2.80 cap - 0.56BBs

massive difference.

as far as what i was saying about ranges, i just opened both 50plo and 200plo solves. im not going to post a bunch of percentages as i have thousands of hours of solve time. (which is not free!) but i will post EP RFI.
monker:
50PLO - EP RFI 16.1%
200PLO - EP RFI 18.6%