Maybe I'm just snakebit a little even though I hate AAxx in Omaha. But maybe there's a better way to play this hand.

Loose, gambly 1/2 game (5 bring in) with some novices. Very juicy table. Hero has 500 and is up 200 in the game. Hero has a limited bankroll and is carefully picking spots. (don't tell me I shouldn't gamble. You'd be right, but please don't)

Hero gets AA84 one suit in middle position. Lots of preflop raising going on.

UTG raises often so he raises to 15 and two calls and I decide just to call. Hope to see a flop cheap or catch someone reraising.

Boom, player two to my left, a terrible, maniac type gambling player, asian, eccentric, and overplays bad hands. He raises to 75. Then original raiser and the BB call.

What should hero do?

I can pot it and get it in but we are likely going at least 3 way. BB only has 200 left. UTG probably won't put his stack in but maybe. He has about 500. No question the asian guy is gambling for stacks with any cards. Hopefully he has KK but not necessarily.

Hero can find better spots, or pick up and go home and fold. Yes that's nitty but in this situation we're never a massive favorite.

Go home

+1

I would GII and go home win or lose. You shouldn't be playing in this game if you're not happy to GII in this spot. If you think you can "look for a better spot" here then you're passing up tons of EV in other spots too, I'm guessing.

Thhis thread is embarrassing for you essp

I like the initial flat. If you three bet everyone will think you have aces and playing face up is bad poker. Now it's time to pot it up. Gambling is all about pushing small edges but this edge isn't small at all it is pretty big. You will probably have around a 50% edge on your action depending on how exactly this plays out because of your hand and also the $75 in dead money with UTG folding. There is simply no way calling is going to have anywhere near as high an expectation. Being able to get most of your stack in with aces is the dream.

If you can't afford to lose $500 on one hand why not play a smaller game online?

Dude you need to jam here. So much equity and yes it is not as big as some situations but this is SUCH a good spot for jamming. And like previous posters, you shouldn't play in games where you're not comfortable getting it all in with good equity

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Not really since I don't really care about what you all think the internet being anonymous and all

I understand that but in terms of bankroll management, with omaha being the game it is, I think there are better spots than AA84 one suit. We could be up against a better AA, and even against his actual hand plus one other hand, we are about a 44% favorite. (I ran the simulation with his actual hand, 9956, and a reasonale hand for the BB, KJT9 one suit).

Yeah I shouldn't be in the game, but I go to the casino about once every week or two weeks and I'm comfortable losing my buy-in. I just hate gambling with a small edge when I can usually find much bigger edges by being patient.

Obviously in this scenario, folding AAxx would just be such a girly move I couldn't live with myself, haha so I jammed and of course lost to a baby two pair on the river. But what if I had the discipline to lay it down with only $15 invested?

BRM and understanding the swings of PLO is a pretty big part of the game.

You are printing money on the jam longrun

Why do you keep saying / making a case for laying this down? You should never lay this down....ever

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Guess it came down to gut. Knew I'd lose the hand... know I'll get flamed for this but usually my gut is right

Holy **** lol

Honestly I know exactly what youre talking about. Please hear me out.

It all started when I was first introduced to poker by my grandfather (may he rest in peace) at the age of 15. It was a gloomy friday night and we were playing some heads up limit holdem while discussing life. I had just broken up with my first girlfriend around this time and I was really bummed about it so I was happy to be able to talk about it with someone. Well anyway that night the most important thing he told me was this: "Listen Derrick it's not important what you have or what you think he might have. The most important thing in poker is to always trust your feeling." He passed away later that evening.

Sadly my grandfather was not the only thing I lost that evening, as my passion for poker also slowly drifted away from me. Years later however (around 26 to be exact) I was introduced to the great game of pot limit omaha by my good friend John (some might know him as omahafanatical4, hes a frequent poster here) and he showed me the ropes. Thanks to him I have been able to move up the stakes starting from 2PLO and I am now playing 10PLO with great results. John if you're reading this, thanks man I really appreciate everything you've done for me and the entire 2+2 community. I have since fallen back in love with poker and just last night I played a hand that brought a tear to my eye. It is very similar to the hand you posted here.

Hero (BTN): $8.26
SB: $23.71
BB: $37.60
UTG: $13.65
MP: $3.64
CO: $26.54

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 7 A A 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, SB raises to $1.15, BB calls $1.05, Hero folds

Flop: ($2.65) 6 3 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2.65, SB raises to $10.60, BB raises to $34.45 all in, SB calls $11.96

Turn: ($47.77) 9 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($47.77) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $47.77
SB shows 6 5 4 3 (a full house, Sixes full of Threes)
BB shows 6 7 8 K (a full house, Sixes full of Kings)
BB wins $47.77
(Rake: $1.50)

So I understand this hand can be quite shocking to some of you robot grinders in here, I however know I made the correct play (this is also evident from the result).

After I got 3b I ofcourse wanted to 4bet this hand however I then heard a noise outside, probably some stupid kids using up their leftover fireworks (happy new years btw) and noticed a bright light coming from the sky. It was moving quite rapidly, almost like a airplane but I can assure you 100% that it was not. It was a message from my grandfather. I just know. Suddenly thousands of thoughts raced through my mind but the most important one was "Always trust your feeling" . I looked back at my computer screen, and then I looked at John (who was playing a session next to me at the time) and he said: "Just click a button bro it doesnt matter". I then looked back at my screen and clicked the fold button because I just had a feeling.

Listen Esspoker (can I call you ess?) I really appreciate your courage. Not everyone has the balls to create a thread like this on a website that has so many robot players that don't trust their heart and feeling when making plays. The last poster that had as much heart as you was a top lad named Martin. Sadly he does not post his advice much anymore because some people here (I won't call anyone out specifically but you know who you are) bullied him away. I still regularely talk to him on skype and he has had some amazing results the past couple of months.

Btw Ess would you be interested in joining a skype group with Martin and me? I think we can learn a lot from eachother we have a very similar playstyle. Let me know!

A single result after you make a specific play does not make laying AAxx down preflop a good play, no matter how much you feel you're going to lose. Maybe on bad flops is fine but dude, you have so much equity you should be seeing a flop and/or ripping it pre depending on table dynamics

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This is a pure math spot. In the main pot for $600 we probably have 40% 3-way and in the HU side pot, which is also for $600, we probably have 60%.

The EV formula is (equity)*(pot size)*(2 * gut feeling) - investment = EV

Investment is our stack size, of course. We can solve for the breakeven gut feeling needed.

0.40*600*(2 * gut feeling) + 0.60*600*(2 * gut feeling) - 500 = 0

600*(2*gut feeling) = 500
gut feeling = 500/1200

So we need a gut feeling of 41.667% to stack off profitably with this hand (a neutral gut feeling is 50%). So when you account for your bankroll scenario, I think it's a fold, because you need to have a better gut feeling than average (probably somewhere like 55%) to make a stack-off profitable enough to justify the risk of ruin. Well played.

if this thread is a sign of things to come this year, then 2017 is going to be the best year yet

Sure if you want to pm the name of the group. I'm pretty busy right now but I've been meaning to take part in a skype group. Let me know when you guys chat, etc

That's pretty funny dude. Well played.

Honestly you guys can flame me all I want, far be it from me to defend my internet reputation since I still hope to get laid now and again.

But seriously if Doyle can believe in ESP then I can. I've played a lot of live poker (and gambled for my rent money many times) and know that sometimes your gut just knows, kid. But whatever, I'm not going to try to argue anymore, lol.

What is the point of this thread? You knew before making it what people were going to say, and on top of that you say that you don't care about what people say.

Usually that double negative would mean the thread has a point, but in this case it's just a double crap from your side

lol that the fact that the guy who has to sweat 1/2 for the rent money thinks he has enough "poker ESP like Doyle Brunson" to just ignore math is awesome

Thats right buddy. Doyle went broke many times too. Keep it coming haters!

Thats right **** the haters!

This entire forum is pretty much this


Bunch of robots... What happaned to poker???

https://www.boomplayer.com/22155295_62D2E7E2C7

Another hand you robots will never understand!

Sometimes villains range is only 1 hand because your gut knows he has that hand

sick, villain doesn't even go for a check raise because that's so strong.