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07-01-2014 , 04:01 AM

BagOfSuck

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Villain is a 30yo Asian guy that's not a pro (I don't think) and just sat within 30 min or so with 10k. No real reads. 10k effective.

Hero limps utg with T998ss, utg1 raises to $200. Three ppl call as well as villain otb. We call.

Flop ($1200) A

Checks to villain who bets $1100

Hero?

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07-01-2014 , 04:04 AM

ChicagoJoey

Papi

Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 15,582

Not sure this is a hand I would choose to limp UTG at full ring, any reason why you did?

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07-01-2014 , 05:38 AM

wtf5

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call.

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07-01-2014 , 07:06 AM

burbs

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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey

Not sure this is a hand I would choose to limp UTG at full ring, any reason why you did?

The first rule of HSPLO is: You do not talk about strat.
The 2nd rule of HSPLO is: You do not talk about strat.

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07-01-2014 , 08:26 AM

krmont22

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i would raise him

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07-01-2014 , 08:27 AM

ChicagoJoey

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Originally Posted by burbs

The first rule of HSPLO is: You do not talk about strat.
The 2nd rule of HSPLO is: You do not talk about strat.

I made that post, then realized I was breaking my own rule

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07-01-2014 , 10:36 AM

Momsbarbershop

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Originally Posted by krmont22

i would raise him

ditto

200bb effective i think this is almost always a raise especially with ppl behind and villain being unknown..
heads up with deeper stacks i might prefer call

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07-01-2014 , 12:26 PM

JoKon

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Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 859

so what bluffs do we have when we raise that flop to balance this out ?

#livepokersuxxxx

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07-01-2014 , 03:32 PM

puska_zg

journeyman

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Originally Posted by JoKon

so what bluffs do we have when we raise that flop to balance this out ?

#livepokersuxxxx

we dont play balanced against a 30yo asian guy that is not a pro

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07-01-2014 , 04:01 PM

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guimz

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OP, when you checked on the flop, what was your plan?

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07-01-2014 , 04:09 PM

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JoKon

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Originally Posted by puska_zg

we dont play balanced against a 30yo asian guy that is not a pro

yeah i'm just trolling came back from vegas 3 days ago and lost pretty big there playing in some super soft games vs 30y old asians so my opinion about live 9max plo isn't the best

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07-01-2014 , 07:06 PM

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lvanhoe

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We are going to raise and get it in hopefully.

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07-02-2014 , 01:36 AM

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BagOfSuck

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Originally Posted by guimz

OP, when you checked on the flop, what was your plan?

The initial raiser is v tight. My plan was c/gii against most players since they had ~5k and c/decide vs IR. Was thrown off when the btn basically pots flop. I decided to just call.

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07-02-2014 , 01:47 AM

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tmckendry

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fold pre unless game is lolsoft

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07-02-2014 , 04:34 AM

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wtf5

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Originally Posted by tmckendry

fold pre unless game is lolsoft

fold pre?? what??

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07-02-2014 , 05:03 AM

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Hoopman20

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Originally Posted by wtf5

fold pre??

pre = preflop. He is saying he thinks hero should fold pre-flop (before there are any community cards) with this hand instead of putting money in the pot when he is not required to.

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what??

Please elaborate.

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07-02-2014 , 08:21 AM

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wtf5

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Originally Posted by Hoopman20

pre = preflop. He is saying he thinks hero should fold pre-flop (before there are any community cards) with this hand instead of putting money in the pot when he is not required to.

Please elaborate.

Thanks for explaining! and elaboration is: don't fold pre, I don't think its close.

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07-02-2014 , 09:50 AM

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Hoopman20

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My ever so subtle veiled message was that I think it is a fold and if I'm wrong it's definitely not like folding DS aces that would cause someone to be dumbfounded by the fold.

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07-02-2014 , 10:42 AM

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donkey_king

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folding pre is bad. most of the 25-50 aria games are lol soft. Kind of dangerous to check raise when most of these players don't 3bet their aces pre. I'd much rather lead and decide.

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07-03-2014 , 01:13 PM

#20

ty4thDime$

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$3100 and declare yourself AI on any non-heart turn for me

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07-03-2014 , 01:54 PM

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TheBabyGrand

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Originally Posted by JoKon

so what bluffs do we have when we raise that flop to balance this out ?

#livepokersuxxxx

You don't always have to have balance. There will be plenty of times where you just have it and there is no other way to play the hand properly except by telegraphing your hand strength.

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07-03-2014 , 02:01 PM

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TheBabyGrand

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I think calling is fine. Raising is fine.

If you call, you have a much better chance of someone making top two on the turn and stacking off. But you open yourself up to all of the flush draws and low straights filling up. I would probably lean towards a call so that I didn't iso his range into the only hand that I couldn't beat. Online I make it $2769.

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07-03-2014 , 02:53 PM

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JoKon

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Originally Posted by TheBabyGrand

You don't always have to have balance. There will be plenty of times where you just have it and there is no other way to play the hand properly except by telegraphing your hand strength.

i don't know about this... maybe there are but surely not OTF with deep stacks like this... anyway i was just kidding as someone said u dont need to balance vs certain players

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07-07-2014 , 04:36 PM

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Quadtwos

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Originally Posted by Hoopman20

I think he fully realised that pre means preflop. The point he was challenging, and I agree with him, was the suggestion that we ought to be open-folding 899T SS in EP.

If a hand like 899T is not playable in EP, are we only playing AAKK/AATJ DS in EP?

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07-07-2014 , 04:46 PM

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Quadtwos

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Originally Posted by Hoopman20

My ever so subtle veiled message was that I think it is a fold and if I'm wrong it's definitely not like folding DS aces that would cause someone to be dumbfounded by the fold.

Its not even close. If you are in the habiting of folding hands 899T with at least a suit in EP, then your range is far too tight.

I'd sooner fold AA27 rainbow UTG then 899T in EP. Not that I'd do it too often, but if stack is deep and I need to put a decent size of my stack in the middle, but no where near enough to commit, and I am up against multiple players, then folding very bad aces isn't such a bad idea. On the other hand, folding 899T at least SS under the same situation would be.

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