it approved mine (5k)

it didnt approve my friend's (30k)

so might wanna try a smaller amount

This doesn't mean its a good idea to bring up at all. Its pretty safe to assume reps from all poker sites probably read 2p2. If the euro sites start seeing a bunch more chatter about this its not inconceivable they start tightening up policy, doc checks, etc fearing the wrath of the US govt...which in turn makes it much harder for all of us. Its simply a lose lose. Take it to aim or skype imo.

Fair point I agree, like I said mods feel free to delete.

Edit: Although, threads like this one in internet poker: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...aking-1021718/ are much, much more likely to get the attention of poker sites than a few posts in plo lc threads.

Edit 2: Post I linked to just got locked, guess you were 100% right

On the bright side we don't need to worry about broseph321 slowing down the games........ Lol jkjk

anybody worried about the significant disadvantage Americans will face versus their overseas opponents? We will be out of the game for atleast a year while many Euro midstakes grinders will play hundreds of thousands to millions of hands.

hell, i thought this... ''what if this happenned after i busted?'' i am glad i save some winnings and i will be able to live some years.

btw even for people from south america/europe this is a nightmare. i mean, poker online won't be as we know, things will change, we don't know if poker stars/ftp will go broke... obv i can play partypoker, ipoker, ongame, but thats another thing... even being brazilian i am scared about this stuff... on friday when i read this news i tilted so hard and went play... obv lose all my online roll cuz was tilting for ''gg poker online''. at least i am not scared about losing my money.. its more fun lose playing cards than lose to the software yoyo =p

as jon06, next week i will be grinding live poker. i don't want grind on poker online this days when i can't know what will happen... play thinking i miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight don't receive money its stupid. 3days ago i was planning 600k year... now i am planning 300k year at live games. so ****** sick... i wish i had focus/head/fresh brain to be able to play this days, because damn god, games are sooooooooo soft! (no joke)

ty for the info you gave.

for your question, i have brazilian friends in usa who can't play and its being hard to cashout. so looks internationals in america can't play. his acount is brazilian, his neteller account is brazilian, but he can't play... i guess his IP looks from USA and thats why its impossible.

lol... bro, i live in brazil and i think i won't be able to play online during few months/years. i mean, isn't like ''gg americans, but poker online still alive!". biggest sites are ****ed, as i said, poker online will change a lot and never ever will became good as was. even people outside usa hurt...next week i will be grinding live 4times per week.

i pray for god to make games running like yesterday during 1year. if i have 360days to grind in a field like yesterday i am pretty sure i will became very rich. but this is hard to happen.. more likely stars go broke. or more likely americans pros go to canada/europe and start grinding while americans fishs stop and all grinders comeback playing from another country.. this scares me.

billion dollar company wont go broke over-night. US is a big client but it wont crush them. Founders being in jail affect nothing as only thing they did was count the 0's in their acct.
When this dust settles, who knows, maybe few months, people get paid, sites agree on some terms with the government, poker will be running in US again.
Also moving in a serious business and I dont see people moving to a different country to 24 table mid stakes. I do assume few high stakes guys with at least a million moving though.

that british company was one of the biggest of the world, nobody ever thought they could go broke... after they did what they did, they have to pay 50billion in fees/governament etc.

so what? pretty sure they are broke or are going to broke. what if FBI says stars need pay 5billion ?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/53170382/3...lt-UB-AP-et-al

1.5 is what they are looking for

i believe it's 1.5bil and they going broke imo is pretty slim change. i think they will pay that money and pull out of USA market and provide only games for european players. people think that USA had most fish, because it had huge player base and was biggest losing country in online poker. this might be a case, but if you look at how many winning/break even USA regs there were on one USA fish, i think games will become only better. also USA fish had hard time to make new deposits.

Just curious as to why non-US players are going into complete panic? Can't think of one significant site that went broke after UIGEA in 2006 and lost everyone's money. I think some smaller ones had problems down the track but Party (which was the biggest in the world for at the time for all you young'uns), OnGame et al all continued along just fine minus their largest customer base. I don't have any significant chunk of my roll in Stars so I don't have the attachment which would obviously influence decision making at a time like this but I really think there is no reason to panic and withdraw your entire roll. In fact, a bank-run like situation could occur if every reg starts withdrawing 5 and 6 figure sums (although highly unlikely I think due to the differing business risk and practices of poker sites vs banks). If people are doing it because of potential future legal decisions and fines against Stars and Tilt I also think that's a long ways away and they are truly multibillion dollar companies with sound legal teams and practices (having said that if anyone was foolish enough to have money floating around on UB/Absolute I would be trying to get my funds quick smart...)

I feel genuinely sorry for all my fellow US PLO players. I can't imagine having my livelihood so suddenly and unexpectedly being taken away. It must be somewhat akin to being made redundant at work, albeit with far less security and future outlook. Seeing as the US government feels like you should pay them income tax on your earnings I would be marching my arse straight to the unemployment office on Monday and demanding benefits. The chances of this happening are of course zero but making some public servant's day that little bit worse will probably make you feel better.

Without wanting to be an insensitive *******, does anyone care to speculate as to how this will affect non-US players? I feel it could result in softer games across the board but am away on holidays this week so won't be able to observe this first hand.

Im sure the games will be slightly softer (certainly much looser), but tbh i dont think it is going to have a massive effect on the games, aside from there being far less running.

Yes the US is the biggest single supplier of regs into the games, but is also the biggest fish supplier (and every other category of players).

I can't even imagine the amount of rage americans are feeling, im not and even i want to kill something just thinking about how sad it is that ******s who dont know anything about anything can get so much power

that being said however, if what is written in the indictments is true I dont think US players will ever play another hand on those sites. not to mention the chance any trial on this is finished within 5 years is certainly less than 20%

Same thing here, and can't withdraw through Moneybookers at all now. Contemplating a bank transfer. Anyone know how safe it is atm?

+1, but the us is certainly not the biggest supplier of fish in msplo imo. way more very good regs than fish.

so far its a good thing for msplo players from europe (sorry to be the first to say this)

Is anyone worried about full tilt funds? I haven't read into this whole fiasco enough but stars seems to be dealing with this a hell of a lot better, just wondering because a couple of friends of mine want to sell their rolls at a decent vig and I was considering buying it up.

Tilt disabling Moneybookers withdrawals and Neteller not working either...thats pretty concerning

Stars did the same - all withdrawals are pending so don't worry yet. I guess they wait for the smoke to clear and see how the banks react on Monday.

probably for business. MB and Netteller happily taking control of the situation... they'll probly be asking for vig soon lol
fwiw I believe that within time poker sites will have fully recovered from this crap and will settle all this confusion and madness for good
seriously, stars/ftp shoulda seen it coming and ok they didn't know it would have such an impact. very high measures taken by u.s government imo. world shock.

but at the end of the day. stars/ftp are multigazillions world industries and this whole situation is a nuisance to them. but it will not stop them. both sites are still running good, people outside the U.S can now use the cashier as they please. stars and ftp backfired with statements and are working hard for securing player funds. cereus though is looking really shady right now

all I know is that stars is doing great and ftp is right behind. we just need to chill and the games atm are great

yeah fk i cant withdraw anymore now.

anybody had bank transfer accepted on FTP

made big withdrawal but no confirmation email has been sent, and FTP are ignoring my emails.

all the money is out my cashier and the withdrawal is in my transfer history

^^This

PLO American players were mostly very good grinders, so games will become better for the rest of us. Obv, it sucks big time now for you guys, but take it as the first step of the regulation which will bring heaven on earth for you in a year or two.

PS. I've heard that 25% of PokerStars customers were Americans, for FullTilt the percentage was 70.

wonder what the percentage is for cereus?

I would be really surprised if Americans only put in 25% of the total of volume played.

actually this might be true, because whenever i usually checked lobby before this mess it was something like 290K players on week days when it's around 9:00 PM until 11:00 PM (euro evening) and then volume usually started to drop, because euros are going to bed. on sundays it was usually 320K around euro evening.

yesterday i checked at that time and there were around 220K players online. afaik, those players who have taken seat on real money or play money tables are only counted as be online and not those who have just logged in (this must be confirmed, not sure about it). so it's around less than 1/3rd of player pool online that was before. considering that there are many euro's that have cashed out or waiting for cash-out and is waiting how situation will develop, i think volume of players should be even bigger in future.

Also if Stars will invest a lot of money in advertising online poker in europe volume could reach same amount as it was with USA players, but this is just my speculation