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04-04-2011 , 02:42 PM

#226

Mt.FishNoob

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Originally Posted by nachunja

this

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04-04-2011 , 02:46 PM

#227

Bernabus

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0M2SsAs6sw

2004 wsop plo event, pretty entertaining

Hahahah lmao@12mins when the commentator says 8765ds is 'not that good' In fact, lol at that whole hand. When the turn hits, and the commentator says 'thats a dagger in his heart' and hes still 45% to win lol
*facepalm*
haha

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04-04-2011 , 03:00 PM

#228

monkover

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hey, one quick question, what do you guys think about learnedfromtv's video series on cardrunners? im really not into plo a lot yet, but it seems really good. im kinda hesitant though bc hes a losing player over a pretty significant sample....

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04-04-2011 , 03:02 PM

#229

pkrtxs

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1273232.ece

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04-04-2011 , 03:04 PM

#230

nachunja

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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1273232.ece

wtf is this like the onion or real news
omgwtf

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04-04-2011 , 03:10 PM

#231

Spurious

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Originally Posted by monkover

Supposedly, he is a very good coach, didnt know that he was a losing player.
For a beginner, even I could give you a lot of insight into the game, so definitely watch it and it will improve your game.

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04-04-2011 , 03:19 PM

#232

this_passing

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Originally Posted by pkrtxs

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1273232.ece

omfg, i wonder if that hurt when he was coming out of his mom (balls dropped/non-drop theory)

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04-04-2011 , 03:29 PM

#233

monkover

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thanks for the feedback spurious and wtf at the article... that kind of sick **** only happens in britain.

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04-04-2011 , 03:33 PM

#234

Foxtorpedo

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Lol this game is so brutal. played 5 separate sessions today for 2,5k hands total: WTSD 26 W$SD 30

Yea, I lost "a couple " of buyins

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04-04-2011 , 04:19 PM

#235

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lolololol I thought that aswell, the HU was good to watch when chaiu gang says he loves poker

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04-04-2011 , 04:31 PM

#236

monkover

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bad luck fox... but thats kind of the problem im struggling with now, starting off with a new game. i dont really have any clue if im any good or not because of the variance.

btw is there a programm that shows you what e.g. top 18% of a range are in omaha? like pokerstove for holdem?

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04-04-2011 , 04:35 PM

#237

pkrtxs

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Originally Posted by monkover

nobody is good. its all variance. pray, due a luck dance, voodoo, magic, whatever the hell u believe will make u a lucky ****er!

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04-04-2011 , 04:39 PM

#238

pkrtxs

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anyone else having trouble with 2p2 since the update color scheme change? lot of times when i click a page, it will take a long time to load or go to the oops! cant open this page or just stay all white. then click refresh and it snap loads the page. happening a lot the last few days. every other site/itunes/stars is super fast and no problems so not my internet.

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04-04-2011 , 04:43 PM

#239

monkover

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mine is working fine... is there a programme like pokerstove for omaha? especially with the hand range thingy?

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04-04-2011 , 04:47 PM

#240

Sumfora

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Originally Posted by monkover

mine is working fine... is there a programme like pokerstove for omaha? especially with the hand range thingy?

think propokertools.com is what youre looking for.

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04-04-2011 , 05:08 PM

#241

monkover

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Originally Posted by Sumfora

think propokertools.com is what youre looking for.

hm i downloaded it... not sure if i dont know how to use it but it seems like an odds calculator. im looking for something where i can figure out with what a e.g. 22% opening range looks like. so basically the top 22% of all hand combinations.

edit: sorry, i really didnt know how to use it, it IS possible with that programme, thanks!

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04-04-2011 , 05:13 PM

#242

Sumfora

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Originally Posted by monkover

There is no such thing as top 22% as it heavily depends on how you weight hand strength on connectivity or on high cards etc and there are more variables to take into consideration in plo in comparison to holdem.

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04-04-2011 , 05:19 PM

#243

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not really, its more multiway opposed to heads up differences, the rank feature on ppt does a decent job, and when you put 22% in a sim what you think thats for? The hands are ranked with HU equity vs average combo as far as i know

e, the problem with visualising top 20% is the vast amount of combos there are in plo, ppt count feature says there are 270k combos

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04-04-2011 , 05:26 PM

#244

monkover

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obv its not perfect, seeing that it starts with AAAKr, which obv has less value than AAKKds but at least it doesnt start with AAAA so it has to have some sort of valuation. not sure how good the ranking is though.
im just trying to get a feeling for omaha ranges... does anybody have a better idea? im really new to this. holdem i learned more by just playing and figuring out hands as i go along, but for omaha i want to try to develop and overall strategy. so first trying to figure out preflop ranges for opening, calling, 3betting etc.

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04-04-2011 , 05:27 PM

#245

jwc529

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^ there is a list, I'm not sure how useful it is however
the ordering is based on profitability

http://www.propokertools.com/orderings/ohordering.txt

i wrote a program once to parse that and get a feel for different hands dealt and where they fell on that list. i kind of abandoned it though

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04-04-2011 , 05:29 PM

#246

napsus

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anyone prefer ev++ calculator to propokertools?

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04-04-2011 , 05:35 PM

#247

Mt.FishNoob

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Originally Posted by monkover

read hwangs big play strategy... in a nut shell

1-form- gaps are bad, more so the higher in the rundown
2-suitedness
3.height- AKQJ> 8765

pairs are complicated, due to reverse implieds, and the pairs interfere with str8 potential which gets more important the deeper /multiway all factors need to be weighed into position and multiwayness, i.e 44AK is playbale HU IP but ont he SB 3 way its easy muck

it is very dee[ and complicated your better off reading books and watching videos although ive never watched them so meh

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04-04-2011 , 05:39 PM

#248

suckoutgenius

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I use PPT just because I'm more familiar with it but EV++ has a lot more options. I'm not really a math guy tho.

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04-04-2011 , 05:59 PM

#249

pkrtxs

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just downloaded the whole cd of mac miller today. i dont usually go for the underground rap...but this was pretty damn good. very chill and was good to grind to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzTHIG_KdzA