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am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes?

08-03-2014 , 05:08 AM
PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $10.24 (VPIP: 43.90, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 15.79, Hands: 41)
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $11.38 (VPIP: 24.37, PFR: 12.69, 3Bet Preflop: 6.06, Hands: 200)
CO: $25.09 (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: $5.12 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5 4 2 2

fold, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.95, 3 players) 9 2 T
Hero checks, CO bets $0.60, fold, Hero raises to $2.14, CO calls $1.54

Turn: ($5.23, 2 players) A
Hero bets $3.65, CO calls $3.65

River: ($12.53, 2 players) J
Hero bets $3.91 and is all-in, CO calls $3.91

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 4 2 2 (Three of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 46%, Flop 63%, Turn 75%)
CO shows Q 2 3 K (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 54%, Flop 37%, Turn 25%)
CO wins $19.49


PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $6.96 (VPIP: 35.56, PFR: 17.78, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 45)
UTG: $8.66 (VPIP: 46.15, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 13)
MP: $7.90 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
CO: $17.82 (VPIP: 64.52, PFR: 41.94, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
BTN: $5.85 (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 29)
Hero (SB): $10.93

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A K K 3

UTG raises to $0.20, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.50, 2 players) A 4 K
Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.30, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $1.05, UTG calls $1.05

River: ($3.40, 2 players) T
Hero bets $2.85, UTG raises to $5.70, Hero calls $2.85

Spoiler:
UTG shows Q 9 J 4 (Straight, Ace High) (Pre 41%, Flop 37%, Turn 25%)
Hero mucks A K K 3 (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 59%, Flop 63%, Turn 75%)
UTG wins $14.17


Also is this too nitty of a fold

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $52.07 (VPIP: 47.11, PFR: 4.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 125)
Hero (CO): $12.55
BTN: $10.00 (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: $7.70 (VPIP: 47.06, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
BB: $3.48 (VPIP: 34.15, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 2 4 4 2

fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $1.05, SB calls $1.00, BB calls $0.95, Hero calls $0.75

Flop: ($4.20, 4 players) A 2 T
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $4.02, fold, fold, fold

Spoiler:
BTN wins $4.02
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-03-2014 , 06:23 AM
Both of the river bets are not too thin at all.

Usually when button 3bets CO open it's a wide range, but i've heard 10PLO 3bet ranges are very AA heavy.
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 11:12 AM
Value betting thinner means you get called by better hands more, which gives negative reinforcement. Your bets are fine.

I would just fold 2244 preflop.
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 11:33 AM
pot turn hand 1, river is essentially irrelevant once that much money goes in, b/f 2nd hand, c/f flop hand 3
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 11:46 AM
I dont mind checking so much in hand #2, he should have a ton of QJfd or QJT hands, and he can't call a ton of hands since we block 2 kings and 1 ace. Wouldn't you agree?
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 12:19 PM
Hand 1: It isn't so much that value-betting is good as it is that you're out of position with a small stack relative to pot size. Betting is better than checking. With deeper stacks it wound't be.

Hand 2: Absolutely value bet river. Against the min-raise however you should seriously consider folding. You're getting great odds, but its just very rare a player min-raises rivers like this in position as a bluff, and equally rare that it will be worse for value.

Hand 3: I get it in with no reads. You indeed have terrible equity against super-nits that are only 3betting pre with AA, but I don't think players on average at this level are that predictable. I could be wrong. But when all your opponent does is 3bet and cbet that isn't enough IMO to warrant a hero fold.
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 12:49 PM
1) absolutely standard vbet, tons of 2pair hands will herocall you on this texture with this little less
2) this is actually an interesting spot, in terms of how to construct your betting ranges on multiple streets, how often you bluff river, how often you give up on missed draws etc
readless canīt fault you for c/c or vbetting, in terms of balancing you personally should know whether this is a bet or a c/ for your range. as played, sucks. in a vacuum call, but prob could make a highly exploitable fold
3) never folding.
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 02:45 PM
Second hand I would re-pot pre. As played, I think I probably check/call on the river there -- what is he calling a third bet with that's worse than KK?
am I value betting too thin on the river vs fishes? Quote
08-04-2014 , 02:56 PM
hand 1 i fold pre

hand two - bet fold river

hand 3 - gii on flop
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