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11-18-2011 , 06:46 PM

Jabonator

nice piano there

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Party, $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11083992

CO: $131.88 (131.9 bb)
BTN: $69 (69 bb)
Hero (BB): $105.55 (105.6 bb)
SB: $63.31 (63.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q

CO raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $11, CO calls $7.50

Flop: ($22.50) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $14, CO calls $14

Turn: ($50.50) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($50.50) K

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $23

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I kinda really want to hero call. Villain is pretty standard 30/20/10ish stats, and we have some aggressive dynamics going on. I just feel he's going to have so many 65 hands here... Insane to call the river?

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11-18-2011 , 06:58 PM

yrmom

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Why don't you just give me 23$ instead? Or better yet, buy CO a lap dance with it; either way its a better use of money.

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11-18-2011 , 06:59 PM

SlimyF

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Well you beat 567X. It's not insane but definitely waste of money.

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11-18-2011 , 07:33 PM

hackprotech

adept

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dont call

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11-18-2011 , 08:11 PM

tynne

adept

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He sure bluff-stab it down a lot. But with a dangling J or K which costs you 23 to see...

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11-18-2011 , 08:14 PM

this_passing

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if dynamics are aggro then i'd prob lean towards folding unless you have some specific reads regarding bet sizing or what he value bets

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11-18-2011 , 08:39 PM

j.a.o.p.

old hand

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if you put him on a bluff just raise

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11-18-2011 , 08:43 PM

chinz

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Raising reps nothing and gives us significantly worse price for bluffcatching, only advantage is making some Jxxx etc bluffs fold, but they're not big enough part of his range to justify risking 3-4x more... I think fold > call > raise here

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11-18-2011 , 09:07 PM

j.a.o.p.

old hand

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Originally Posted by chinz

i agree that folding is best,but raising is better than calling...
ofc only if checking a flush twice is in your arsenal

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11-18-2011 , 10:53 PM

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tynne

adept

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I think OOP you could still rep a flush despite checking twice... So raise could work imo!
BUT, I think ppl are also checking behind sometimes when flush hits.. so actually he could have a flush here...

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11-19-2011 , 12:36 AM

#11

IBETUFOLD33

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Yes.

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11-19-2011 , 02:19 AM

#12

playertee

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Originally Posted by j.a.o.p.

if you put him on a bluff just raise

Huh?

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11-19-2011 , 06:21 AM

#13

Jabonator

nice piano there

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Well, I'm a station, and felt like a hero, so I called, obv. He had 765.

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11-19-2011 , 06:38 AM

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bartolomeus

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fold. cant even beat a middlish onepair hand he is turning into a bluff.

so if you have that read, rebluff-raise.

folding >>>>>> raising >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>call

i hate calling.

edit: saw the result. yeah he was kind of bluffing with top pair.

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11-19-2011 , 06:51 AM

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wazz

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fold is def best but raise better than call because we can in fact rep the backdoor flush (and people don't just raise the nut flush in this spot so we can get away with having a wide perceived value range) and he can be value-betting thin and turning better made hands than ours into a bluff. but yeah just fold.

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11-19-2011 , 08:30 AM

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GoGetaRealJob

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he never has NF, rarely any flush. Barrel turn > profit. Fold now, simply cause you lose to many of his bluffs.

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11-19-2011 , 11:51 AM

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wazz

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oh, i misread hh, didn't realize it was bdfd, makes c/r much less attractive, def still fold tho

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11-19-2011 , 12:17 PM

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this_passing

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sizing if you raise? looks like a min raise or so would leave him too little to shove for fold equity

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11-19-2011 , 12:48 PM

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j.a.o.p.

old hand

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upps,just realized stacksizes....
forget raising.

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11-19-2011 , 01:23 PM

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tynne

adept

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ops I was spot on with 567K

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11-19-2011 , 01:57 PM

#21

KracKedAce

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

he never has NF, rarely any flush. Barrel turn > profit. Fold now, simply cause you lose to many of his bluffs.

Why?

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11-19-2011 , 01:59 PM

#22

wazz

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yer villain can def have any flush and even the nut flush in his range.

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11-19-2011 , 07:45 PM

#23

GoGetaRealJob

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LAGgy reg, aggro dynamic, HU 3bet pot 100bb = all-in OTF with FD, especially NFD

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11-19-2011 , 07:59 PM

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Johan5390

old hand

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+1 to ggarj, barreling turn is gonna be profitable,

and much rather doing that than raising river

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11-19-2011 , 08:14 PM

#25

KracKedAce

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Nice answer, thank you.

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