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09-05-2011 , 05:10 AM

Twinrix

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I guess it was a bad spot to 3bet oop...
Whats my approach otf? I tend to check/fold or check/call depending
on what i think about the opponent taking action and my position/players left to act.

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PL Omaha $0.50(BB) Replayer
Hero ($217)
BB ($141)
UTG ($164)
UTG+1 ($125)
CO ($173)
BTN ($45.60)

UTG antes $0.10
UTG+1 antes $0.10
CO antes $0.10
BTN antes $0.10
Hero antes $0.10
BB antes $0.10

Dealt to Hero K

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $7.10, BB calls $6.60, UTG calls $5.60, CO calls $5.60

FLOP ($29) 4

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09-05-2011 , 05:16 AM

Chillypill

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fine spot to 3bet imo.

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09-05-2011 , 05:19 AM

SlimyF

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Super easy 3bet. Now just try to get all the money in. Start with betting.

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09-05-2011 , 05:26 AM

Lone Smuggler

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agree with both above. Nice 3 bet and Nice flop = Nice hand

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09-05-2011 , 05:31 AM

Lone Smuggler

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also just realised you said you were going to check/Fold? really?! but this is such a nice flop!

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09-05-2011 , 06:20 AM

AArenstrup

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every one is pretty deep and we are in a 4 way pot, ill check and re evalute if alot of action but vs bet raise get it in. if bet flop i think we can get in a lot of bad spots at turn since alot of turn makes it awkvard for us to play oop

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09-05-2011 , 08:41 AM

Trix

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If you aren´t betting this flop, why are you reraising?

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09-05-2011 , 09:33 AM

Twinrix

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Originally Posted by Trix

If you aren´t betting this flop, why are you reraising?

well, why do you think i ask if reraising is a good option?

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Originally Posted by SlimyF

Super easy 3bet. Now just try to get all the money in. Start with betting.

Do you really think that getting it in blind is such a good idea? Even HU its close for 200bb

Player	Equity	Wins Hi	Ties Hi
Ks7sAcKc	43,7729%	43,6260%	0,2936%
99** :15%, AssBB,44LL,44ss :15%,4567,94s*s,4569	56,2271%	56,0803%	0,2936%

Player	Equity	Wins Hi	Ties Hi
Ks7sAcKc	24,1930%	24,1504%	0,0852%
99** :15%, AssBB,44LL,44ss :15%,4567,94s*s,4569	37,9640%	37,3006%	1,3269%
99** :15%, AssBB,44LL,44ss :15%,4567,94s*s,4569	37,8429%	37,1797%	1,3265%

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09-05-2011 , 09:53 AM

AveeMaria

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3b pre is fine, cbet flop. Now post action. We don't have much of an idea what we're working with.

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09-05-2011 , 10:15 AM

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Lone Smuggler

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I dont know a huge amount about the equity calculations but arent you supposed to put in their WHOLE range? not just the worst case scenarios?

the 3 bet pre is absolutely fine and standard so i dont see how you can do anything BUT c-bet this flop, which with no straight on board and the only FD being the one you have, is pretty damn good!

what is your plan for the hand if it gets checked round or there is a bet?

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09-05-2011 , 10:20 AM

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uphigh_downlow

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I have almost forgotten how to play 300-400 bbs deep, but I do remember there was this thing about not inflating pots OOP without both good hands AND good reads.

You do have a fine hand, but your reads are missing.

Think the basic idea here is to start with a cbet and hope to take it down, and reval if you meet resistance.

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09-05-2011 , 10:21 AM

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Twinrix

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Originally Posted by Lone Smuggler

I dont know a huge amount about the equity calculations but arent you supposed to put in their WHOLE range? not just the worst case scenarios?

Would you broke on such a board with some crap with 20bb invested? I think its thats pretty much the whole range.

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Originally Posted by Lone Smuggler

what is your plan for the hand if it gets checked round or there is a bet?

tbh i havent a clue

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09-05-2011 , 10:29 AM

#13

joppi

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Imo 3 bet pre is mandatory, now cbet and post following action.

You can consider c/r if you know there is some one way too aggressive after you who will bet way too often if checked to him

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09-05-2011 , 10:30 AM

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Lone Smuggler

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No not saying you should go broke on the flop, but you surely HAVE to c-bet for information if nothing else?! you need to thin the field and see what you are up against.

From your equity calcs you are saying you shouldnt c-bet becuase IF you are up against that range your ******, but until you bet you have no real idea what your up agasint, if you meet resistance THEN you can consider equity calcs.

If you assumed you were up against the worst equity situations on every flop u'd never c-bet!

Its a c-bet, and reconsider when others have acted.

What happened in the hand?

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09-05-2011 , 10:58 AM

#15

short1001

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Don't 3bet pre unless you are comfortable playing deep and OOP in a multiway pot. Imo that is a recipe for getting outplayed post for sure. I agree with other poster in that you need to lead on this kind of flop for sure if you are 3betting. The fact that you aren't sure what to do leads me to believe that you shouldn't have 3bet in the first place.

Always have reasons for your actions preflop and a plan in place for when you get desireable flops. If you don't you will be stuck in too many situations like these.

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09-05-2011 , 12:51 PM

#16

Jabonator

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3bet pre, cbet flop, post action so we can tell you more.

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09-07-2011 , 04:45 AM

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Twinrix

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there wasnt any more action. I was tanking otf and imo without a clear plan i found it best to give up 20bb instead of making a huge error and burning 200bb more.

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09-07-2011 , 05:00 AM

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Jub.

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I dont mind flatting pre, but I think thats coz Im not comfortable playing deep. The SPR on the flop is going to be 7~ normally, and that's pretty awkward, specially 3ways.

If we flat we can cause them to make massive mistakes postflop with our nutty hands when SP is 20+

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