Hi all,

PLO5, earlier in session utg bad reg opens $15, utg1 also reg but seems winning 3! $50, hero utg 2 AdAhKsKc7s 4! $170, they both call and we all gii on Q42r, utg said he had Q4 and utg1 scooped with J9684ds with runner runner straight.

This hand an hour or so later utg (J9864 dude) opens (covers), hero flats utg1 AdQdJcTc6s $315 eff., a few callers and BB (Q4 guy from earlier) pots ($200 eff.), original opener re-pots to $350 and we call it off thinking about the earlier hand. Standard?

Thanks,
DT

Wow plo5 gets gross percentages so much closer

Intuitively, I think your flat's bad and I think calling here is poor.

After running some equity in Odds Oracle, I think your flat's bad and calling over is poor. It's not horrible or anything...

You're ~30% against their ranges. I inputted against different wideish ranges for UTG1 and 5 and 7% for UTG.

Math:

(.30*670) - (.70*300)
201 - 210 = -$9

It's a -$9 play which doesn't factor in rake or your happiness ev (yes, I'm serious. seems you get tilted easy). So as said above, fold but not the end of the world if you call as you're basically flipping if UTG can have 7%.

edit: having the Q high suit is a lot better. I mean that's obvious but it makes a lot of difference in 3-bet calling strategy.

Agree with NJ that getting it in 3w here is probably a losing play, but will be smallish due to dead money and bb being wild.

The main problem is UTG range here dominates hero pretty hard, it tends to be aa, ak, akk, etc.

oh I misread preflop action. Doesn't change much of anything but ignore all my talk about the first call pre. I thought it was same positions as first hand (open, 3b, you flat). Almost certainly still bad w/o Q suited, having the 6, and 5 or 6 people behind.

I also missed stack sizes. If you get in a main pot for $200 and then have to throw in $115 for a sidepot, it's much worse. edit: well I thought it'd be worse

Main pot:
(.30*460) - (.70*185)
138 - 129.5 = +8.5

Side pot:
(.438*115) - (.562*115)
50.37 - 64.63 = -14.26

8.50 - 14.26 = -5.76

Did all this work (very little) and it's 3/5 of a bb difference



Thanks moni for helping me realize these silly errors.

My bad for not realizing the side pot issue in game, but tbh I was more focused on the previous hand when deciding to make the call. I thought he could have been iso-ing wider.

Didn't focus on this much in my initial post but if the player described as bad reg is the guy who 3! with j9864ds, might just stack off here happily - as 3! that hand with action not closed is normally bad and suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of hand values/correct strategy. In which case stacking off with any above average ds axxxx hand should be ev.

But without exact stacks hard, harder to evaluate.

Bad reg for me tends to mean break-even to slightly winning players who know abc strategy, but can be exploited by more advanced players in many spots.