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11-15-2011 , 10:27 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50, $0.10 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11071492

Hero (BB): $126.10 (252.2 bb)
UTG: $75 (150 bb)
MP: $50 (100 bb)
CO: $135.50 (271 bb)
BTN: $134.60 (269.2 bb)
SB: $256.60 (513.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A K 3 A
UTG raises to $2, MP folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8.85, UTG folds, CO calls $6.85

Flop: ($20.55) 4 7 9 (2 players)
Hero ?

What's your plan with Aces here given that villain is a loose player (56/31)? in fact he is mainly the reason I sat down at the table.
What's your plan vs a TAG reg?
Betting pattern, bet sizes and reasoning would be appreciated.
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11-15-2011 , 10:46 PM
Check/raise flop u got ace of heart after next heart comes also u can bluff your opp + u got some outs your card live
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11-16-2011 , 12:38 AM
You're really deep and OOP which makes it very hard to play this hand properly. Just call pre and try to play a small pot. Wait until you have position on said villain and then build a big pot and try to stack him. As played I bet/fold flop
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11-16-2011 , 03:08 AM
Flat pre-flop.

Probably b/f the flop as played.
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11-16-2011 , 03:15 AM
b/f
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11-16-2011 , 11:13 PM
call pre, check/call flop unless full pot bet from vilain. Your hand is a good hand but still a drawing hand from oop.

as played bet fold

Last edited by bucheron; 11-16-2011 at 11:43 PM.
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11-16-2011 , 11:32 PM
pre is fine. i would b/f ~$15 although you probably get raised like all the time here
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11-17-2011 , 02:38 AM
just call pre, oop & deep sucks.
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11-17-2011 , 12:53 PM
Avoid 3 betting junk ace hands oop unless you can get it in with a low SPR otf.

How does the villain play otf? Fit or fold or laggro like his pre stats? If hes really aggro I'm not even sure I'd b/f. Against tags or decent players you can b/f but can get floated a lot.

Ah would be interesting that deep if they flat and a heart lands
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11-17-2011 , 01:04 PM
3bet is good. Now start with a cbet and fold if raised. If he flats, you want to bet again most of the times.

The main thing you must understand is that such a wide range does not have many raising hands. Keep control of the betting, and keep pegging away.
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11-17-2011 , 02:00 PM
3Bet pre is bad. Not good.

****ty aces.
Very likely being 3way. (This because: when I'm UTG I have a very strong range, esp. if I know theres a station behind me. When you 3bet, I figure the likelyhood if the fish calling behind me is big. So I too call, hoping that my pos. advantage over you, and the fish to juice the pot will outweigh (greatly) your preflop-edge)
OOP.
Deep.
Seemingly undefined ranges since you don't specify much reads.

Now you're ****ed, on the flop like a fish on land (figuratively speaking) gobbing for oksygen, and for you to know whether to c-bet or not, you need to put inwork. Here is how to solve the problem:

Pick a betsizing that would work for your whole range. I'd go with $13-14.
Then put him on a range which will shove (worst case scenario, since you'd have to fold).
Then put him on a range preflop.
Then see how big a part the shoving range is of the entire prefloprange.
Then figure out the probabiltiy of him folding to your c-bet.
Then you can calculate the EV of betting, assuming you have 0% if called/shoved upon (which obviously is far from the truth, but working with bestcase/worstcase scenarios is often the easiest).

Then you can compare this EV to
A) checking OTF, hoping fish will play honest
B) calling preflop with decent setouts, nutflushdraw, deep, with fish in the pot, and with huge SPR (making OOP being nearly insignificant (when you have the nuts position matter much less))

Then, after doing all this work, you can post it here, and get comments on things which is much more important to get comments on. Eg.
"Is this a reasonable range for him to shove?"
"Why? Why not?"

After all this work, you'll hopefully think good before 3betting the next time, so that you know what kind of flops you are going to do what on (ca ofcourse, not exactly) so that when a completely standard flop comes, you dont end up not knowing what the **** to do.


Then you'll probably realize that your 3bet is bad. If not, I would like to be convinced by you. And if all this seems rude, I am sorry. This is honestly the best advice I can give you, and also the best advice I have seen so far in this thread.'

Edit: I did read over my own post for once (since it was in kind of a sharp tone). And to de-douch it a bit. I will now solve the hand in the matter which I suggested for you. Both HU and 3way (since I feel chance of 3way is huge). Then after you solve it yourself, I'll post my sollution for it and then we can compare, and everybody can learn. If you dont post, I wont either! Mohaha, then I will have learned more from your hand than yourself! (redouched)

Last edited by kramersaidGETTYUP; 11-17-2011 at 02:17 PM.
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11-17-2011 , 02:46 PM
b/f 14 bet board pairing turns + hearts + A/K/Q/2s vs one caller
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