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10-04-2021 , 09:31 AM

Danny McCoy

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.3/.6 plo hand

Relevant stacks
Utg 72bb
Btn 165bb
Bb (hero) 250bb

Utg limps, btn raises to 4.5bb, Hero 3b As5sAd2c to 15bb, utg calls, btn calls.

Flop (45.5bb) 8d 8c 2s

I bet 15bb, utg folds, btn calls

Turn (75.5bb) 5h

I check (this standard?), btn bets 50bb, I call (?)

River (175.5bb) 6h

I check, btn moved in 84bb.

What are we doing here? Villian dependant? Turn ok?

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10-04-2021 , 01:22 PM

Loctus

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I think flop is a range check? He has a lot more 8 than you do

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10-04-2021 , 03:13 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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I'd probably fold the turn.

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10-04-2021 , 03:24 PM

Danny McCoy

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

I'd probably fold the turn.

You really think so? He was on the tighter side. Larger bet sizing from him doesnt scream 8 and i still have 6 outs if he only has trips.

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10-04-2021 , 03:25 PM

Danny McCoy

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Originally Posted by Loctus

I think flop is a range check? He has a lot more 8 than you do

Is check better than 1/3 pot? I have really lowered my cbet amounts on paired boards and i think i like it.

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10-04-2021 , 04:14 PM

derjan

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Call turn = call river they say.

But I'm folding turn. Don't see them bluffing here much

Think betting flop hoping to take it down is fine. We can also have quite some 8s so they won't bluff us much.

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10-04-2021 , 05:17 PM

Danny McCoy

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Originally Posted by derjan

Yes i ended up calling. I probably took too long to call the turn and made him bet the river. He ended up having KcQsTs4d for a pure flop float.

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10-04-2021 , 08:38 PM

J4J

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Originally Posted by Danny McCoy

Yes i ended up calling. I probably took too long to call the turn and made him bet the river. He ended up having KcQsTs4d for a pure flop float.

You told him exactly what you had via your preflop reraise and small bet on the flop. He knows you have AA or at worse KKA, so he played to take it from you if you let him. If you pot the turn, he just gives up.

By reraising preflop you will face this situation most of the time with hands like this, so you better decide what your standard play will be now, not in the middle of a hand.

For most players, they are way better off calling this hand preflop with these stack sizes.

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10-04-2021 , 09:47 PM

KnoxKnoxJoke

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Kinda gross but with holding a 2 I can't see folding (folding turn is way too nitty imo). I'd rather fold a hand like AAKJ here. Better to just cut down on the combos of double paired hands with 22.

PLO trainer has this hand as a range bet 100bb deep 3ways CO-BTN-SB. But at 200bb deep has it fairly mixed. Kinda weird spot where ur deep with one guy but not the other.

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10-05-2021 , 02:22 AM

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derjan

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Originally Posted by Danny McCoy

Yes i ended up calling. I probably took too long to call the turn and made him bet the river. He ended up having KcQsTs4d for a pure flop float.

Ok. Villain is in a position to make such a move so it makes sense.

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10-05-2021 , 07:37 PM

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PotLimitObsessed

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Didn’t you have any notes or tendencies on this guy? The turn and river is situational imo. Because if you know he’s capable of randomly bluffing you should be calling but if you don’t know much about him it’s an easy fold... Not many players will really just start betting with no equity from my experience anyways.

I haven’t done much flop work yet but you’ve gotta bet the turn if you bet the flop otherwise why are we betting the flop? What are we trying to get value from because we should probably check this flop most the time with our range. I think KKxx & QQxx still might call. But I will say that turn pot from villain is just weird

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10-05-2021 , 10:12 PM

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KnoxKnoxJoke

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Originally Posted by PotLimitObsessed

why are we betting the flop?

Betting small on this flop where we have such a range advantage we can bet a ton forces v to continue with some ace high floats and **** otherwise we just printing.

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10-06-2021 , 02:36 AM

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yasuo

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Originally Posted by PotLimitObsessed

Didn’t you have any notes or tendencies on this guy? The turn and river is situational imo. Because if you know he’s capable of randomly bluffing you should be calling but if you don’t know much about him it’s an easy fold... Not many players will really just start betting with no equity from my experience anyways.

I haven’t done much flop work yet but you’ve gotta bet the turn if you bet the flop otherwise why are we betting the flop? What are we trying to get value from because we should probably check this flop most the time with our range. I think KKxx & QQxx still might call. But I will say that turn pot from villain is just weird

not sure if this makes sense. villain's range changes from flop to turn after the flop action.

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10-06-2021 , 05:50 AM

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derjan

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Don't see the point in betting turn.

He either has it or not or some overpair with little equity which we dont mind too much giving a free card.

Flop betting makes sense. We like to take it down from here, not wanting some pair to outdraw on us or some draws to come on the turn.

Sure villains might see our flop bet combined with preflop as an overpair and start playing back on us. But vs unknown I consider this less likely. Although if he raises pre he is more likely to be agressive postflop so looking him up makes sense

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10-06-2021 , 07:49 AM

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Danny McCoy

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Originally Posted by KnoxKnoxJoke

Betting small on this flop where we have such a range advantage we can bet a ton forces v to continue with some ace high floats and **** otherwise we just printing.

Yes. I think i am betting this flop for the times that i have an ace high rundown and bet. I dont see how btn w a hand like qq97 or qjj9 can continue comfortably.

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