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06-30-2010 , 05:35 PM
Villain is young, american, I recognize his screen-name from mtts, and I've seen him play well in a high-stakes televized cash game on uk tv. So far he's been mixing up limps and raises pre, and has raise-folded once, but not got involved post a lot.

My image should be incredibly laggy, quite tricky, and not necessarily good.

At 300-600, I open As Jc 5h 2s to 1500 from the CO, folds to villain in the BB, he calls. Stacks ~ 40k effective.

Flop: Ts 3s 4o, pot 3300

He leads 2k, I call.

Turn: 2o

He checks, I check

River: 9o, pot 7700

He leads 5.2k, I call?

Feels like every street is debatable, guess river is closest though.

Usually I raise the flop for value, but think in this particular case he's got a lot of draws in his leading range, though he may have sets as well.

On the turn, I felt like he could easily have the nuts, and I don't want to bet-fold my hand if there's some chance he doesn't; I also think he's check-folding a number of one-pair + flush draw hands as I can very easily have the nuts myself.

On the river, I want to raise for value, as my turn check makes it look like I can't have the nuts.
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06-30-2010 , 05:45 PM
if he's a got a bunch of draws on the flop, raise to give him a chance to stack off?
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06-30-2010 , 05:47 PM
call unless you think there is a very high % he'll spaz

and raise the flop
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06-30-2010 , 05:47 PM
I raise flop, bet turn and call river. Calling instead of raising river for obvious reasons.
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06-30-2010 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DPred123
I raise flop, bet turn and call river. Calling instead of raising river for obvious reasons.
+1
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06-30-2010 , 10:55 PM
^

I'm in the raising camp, don't necessarily pot but def raise it. Give him rope to stack off his QsQxs* or KKs or pair + spades...
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06-30-2010 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DPred123
I raise flop, bet turn and call river. Calling instead of raising river for obvious reasons.
Just calling flop is ok, not betting turn is v bad tho.
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06-30-2010 , 11:21 PM
I feel like the arguments that is there for not trying to build the pot before the river applies even more on the river. i dont necesarilly dislike to flat the flop , even though putting more money in both on flop and turn is my clear first choice even in a tournament. He probably views you as somewhat competent and then its gonna be hard to make him believe you would take a "i cant rep much line" as a bluff without any more history..
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07-01-2010 , 04:35 AM
Raise flop every time and bet the turn. Really dont like your line
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07-01-2010 , 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DPred123
I raise flop, bet turn and call river. Calling instead of raising river for obvious reasons.
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07-01-2010 , 04:43 AM
i gotta agree with raising the flop.
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07-01-2010 , 05:11 AM
yeah with your image you have to raise at least the flop
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07-01-2010 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by good2cu
Just calling flop is ok, not betting turn is v bad tho.

I think the opposite of this.
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07-01-2010 , 06:03 AM
What is "4o/3o/9o" ?? unless it is a 3 cardflush potentiel out there, i will always call the turn...

The river is a easy call with 2nd nut str8. If we will raise the river - which i think is very spewish - we will only be called by better imo. His range is sets -better str8 and maybe the same kinda hand as urs A25*.

Turn: U should absolutely bet the turn with a double flush-chance (if it is a double 1 - again what is "o" ?) on the board and therefore bet for value and protection.
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07-01-2010 , 12:24 PM
I raise flop and check turn. I can't think of a good reason to raise river but I really really want to.

I probably end up not raising if I am sober.
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07-01-2010 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Micturition Man
I think the opposite of this.
+1

call riiver
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07-01-2010 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Micturition Man
I think the opposite of this.
ditto.
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07-02-2010 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by cts
ditto.
Can you guys explain why you think a turn check behind is ok?
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07-02-2010 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by good2cu
Can you guys explain why you think a turn check behind is ok?
Probably because we have the nut flush draw and don't want to get raised.
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07-02-2010 , 04:35 PM
In a WSOP cash game yesterday, the board came K83 then running 45 and I got raised for value by AA27.

A full pot raise, he knew it was good and that there'd be a chance I'd call with worse. I obviously didn't think 67 was in his range, almost ever, thought he was capable of bluff-raising and thought he'd flat my river bet with A2/62.

Got pwned.

Anyway, I'm definitely raising this flop. His lead is weak, why give him a free equity with 56xx type hands that you have negative implied odds against or even a cheaper showdown with Txxx type hands that you have obvious FE against.
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07-02-2010 , 04:44 PM
played a hand very similar to his yesterday in the 10k. and i like the chk on turn and i love a river raise
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07-02-2010 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by good2cu
Can you guys explain why you think a turn check behind is ok?

You might get c-rzed, villain likely has few or zero outs and may have a lot of bad outs that cause him to pay off on river (or he might just pay unimproved).
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07-03-2010 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Whippersnapper
In a WSOP cash game yesterday, the board came K83 then running 45 and I got raised for value by AA27.

A full pot raise, he knew it was good and that there'd be a chance I'd call with worse. I obviously didn't think 67 was in his range, almost ever, thought he was capable of bluff-raising and thought he'd flat my river bet with A2/62.
sorry, not the same at all.
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07-03-2010 , 08:39 AM
I cant see how calling the flop can ever be right. I also cant see how the other 2 streets are even close to debatable, have to be a call/call if he bets turn or a chk/call if he chks turn.
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07-03-2010 , 12:02 PM
raise flop check turn raise river
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