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01-19-2013 , 06:00 AM
CO: $42.65 (85.3 bb)
BTN: $41.94 (83.9 bb)
SB: $19.53 (39.1 bb)
BB: $40.56 (81.1 bb)
UTG: $25 (50 bb)
Hero (MP): $54.10 (108.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8 6 7 T
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.75, CO folds, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7) 3 8 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $5.25, SB folds, BB calls $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

Turn: ($22.75) 9 (3 players)
BB checks,

All three players in the pot with me are droolers, playing;

71 / 15 over 40 hands
91 / 27 over 12 hands
50 / 20 over 40 hands

I didn't want to cbet flop, when I felt the chance of someone raising high + the fact that it would be nice to see a free turncard. I'm starting to think that my flop-call might have been to light, and that folding could be better?

Thoughts on pot-donk/calling turn?
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01-19-2013 , 06:40 AM
I think the raise pre is possibly bad with all these droolers on the table. I like raising there if we've got nitty 3 bettors after us who'll isolate and then stack off with their AA/KK after we hit flops. But as it is, if they going to let us limp with these cards multiway then why not get in cheap, or just not bother?

On flop it's close between c/f and c/c but is prolly c/f as it's multiway with all these passive fish and he sizes quite big.

Turn - well we're here now - but I think more value in checking as these naff fish are not folding if we pot it anyway. We might get to river for free or if BTN does bet then we want to keep it 3 way for more value.

If we do bet turn we got to size it so we can barrel non flush rivers (essentially we're repping 89**) - it's not a bad play. I dunno tho all depends on BTNs flop aggression post - but if he's a proper fish he'll just shove his set of 2s...
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01-19-2013 , 03:55 PM
Nice thoughts, def. some valid points, esp with his flopbet (being passive) and the turnbet probably not yielding fold equity
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01-19-2013 , 03:58 PM
Depending on BTN and his aggression levels, checking is fine. I think B/F is ok though. Think C/C is the worst of our options, especially when others call and versus BTN bet sizing.

I'd marginally lead towards B/F
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01-19-2013 , 04:26 PM
Cbet or fold flop. Turn is quite marginal, potting prob.

e: not sure about turn, checking actually
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01-20-2013 , 10:50 AM
I don't like flop line either...

on turn I wouldn't bet full pot, just barrel like .8 pot turn and try to steal river except hearts and perhaps ace, allow to bluff if make straight but if a heart straight comes I worry alot

I suspect you are going busto once call flop though.
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01-20-2013 , 04:17 PM
Just throwing it out there....

Was kinda thinking of check raising flop and jamming turn. BTN has just been checked to in MW pot and his range is super wide. Call from BB doesn't mean **** other than he has a hand that he wants to see a turn with. They're fish so they're not gonna be thinking "ah man if he has a hand why doesn't he lead?"

Anyone else?

c/c flop is probably the nut worst line here btw and fold it pre as played fire turn and non heart river
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01-20-2013 , 04:49 PM
I think they are to passive (in general) for me liking a C/rai. Feels like I to often get it in with >50% eq and not enough FE
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01-20-2013 , 05:01 PM
Just because they are passive it doesn't mean they can't fold.

I actually think you have enough FE on the flop and turn here to make this a profitable play.

The more I think about it the more I think that this is probably the best line.
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