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11-09-2009 , 01:35 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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SB = 80/20 pre, showdown monkey post. Hes one of those guys w/ super low flop&turn aggr, super high river aggr.

Are we checking back this turn or betting?

If check, whats our plan for the river?

If bet, how much?

CO: $75.95
Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $54.30
BB: $145.10
UTG: $14.65
MP: $97.55

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with A

1 fold, MP raises to $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.25, SB calls $5, 1 fold, MP calls $3.75

Flop: ($16.25) 2

(3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11, MP folds

Turn: ($38.25) 7

(2 players)
SB checks, [color=red]Hero...

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11-09-2009 , 01:53 PM

Asbrock

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ur hand is pretty face up. It's only 100bbs and based on your read you can either check fold or b/c I guess just flip a coin at this point.

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11-09-2009 , 02:00 PM

Vik

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Are we checking back this turn or betting?

I say b/c. He cold calls in the SB to a raise and re-raise, if he has 8Jxx surely he has 9T in his hand. With the two 8 blockers in your hand j8xx is even more unlikely. If he has you beat with two pair/set he should have put you in on the flop with another player left to act.

If check, whats our plan for the river?

If you do check here I believe there are a lot of rivers you should be calling if his river agg is high because a high river agg means a player who tends to bluff.

If bet, how much?
If we bet I do not think we can fold because you are not over 100bbs, I would say near pot here.

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11-09-2009 , 02:11 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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Originally Posted by Vik

If we bet I do not think we can fold because you are not over 100bbs, I would say near pot here.

If this is the case I dont like betting here vs this guy. Potting here means we're taking a hand w/ sdv and using it to try and bluff a LAP off 2pair.

So in light of that, I think checking back turn and calling a lot of rivers is better.

fwiw, high riv agrr doesnt nec mean he bluffs rivers a lot. in this player's case it means he gets to the river a lot and puts a bunch of $ in when he thinks he has the best hand.

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11-09-2009 , 02:22 PM

Vik

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Originally Posted by SeeThomasHowl

If this is the case I dont like betting here vs this guy. Potting here means we're taking a hand w/ sdv and using it to try and bluff a LAP off 2pair.

fwiw, high riv agrr doesnt nec mean he bluffs rivers a lot. in this player's case it means he gets to the river a lot and puts a bunch of $ in when he thinks he has the best hand.

I stand corrected! I didn't realise high riv. agrr could mean that, I'm sure a certain line above (what I considered high) would clearly demonstrate that a player is bluffing rivers.

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11-09-2009 , 02:24 PM

SeeThomasHowl

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Originally Posted by Vik

I stand corrected! I didn't realise high riv. agrr could mean that, I'm sure a certain line above (what I considered high) would clearly demonstrate that a player is bluffing rivers.

Ur not nec wrong, sometimes is does mean that. Just not always.

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11-09-2009 , 05:42 PM

98342324

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i would probably just pot and get it in here

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11-09-2009 , 09:01 PM

evitooo

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I would check this turn and play based on the river.

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11-09-2009 , 09:18 PM

mayor_haggar

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I don't see any harm in pot controlling the turn here, since this type of player rarely tends to go away on the turn. he could easily be one of those insufferable people who cc's top set down 3 streets or something that I always valuetown myself against.

On the river I'd fold if he bets on a straightening card, else probably either call or check back. Hard to see how we get much value.

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11-09-2009 , 09:29 PM

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SeeThomasHowl

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Originally Posted by mayor_haggar

he could easily be one of those insufferable people who cc's top set down 3 streets or something that I always valuetown myself against.

The only thing funnier than those guys are the ones who c/c flop w/ top set, then lead or c/r turn when the straight/flush card hits. God's special creatures imo.

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11-09-2009 , 10:05 PM

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mayor_haggar

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They're always the ones who river the boat, though.

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11-10-2009 , 12:16 PM

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Vemmuu

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3way and he only calls? I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure he is slowplaying monster and if he isn't that turn almost always helped him. Check the turn and fold the river if he fires a bet.

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11-10-2009 , 02:18 PM

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RaiserX

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Originally Posted by Vemmuu

3way and he only calls? I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure he is slowplaying monster and if he isn't that turn almost always helped him. Check the turn and fold the river if he fires a bet.

He is a passive ******.

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Originally Posted by evitooo

I would check this turn and play based on the river.

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11-10-2009 , 02:30 PM

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nitsanper

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wtf ? our hand isn't faced up, cuz you should 3bet wider than AAxx w/ position
check back to re-eval on the river.
what's the river?

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