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09-06-2007 , 01:29 AM
Less than 20 hands on all opponents except CO who is very loose and passive. BIG calling station.

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CO ($34.70)
Button ($21.40)
SB ($16.60)
Hero ($51.10)
UTG ($35.85)
MP ($77.55)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J, 6, K.
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button raises to $1, SB calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4) Q, T, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.5, CO calls $2.50, Button calls $2.50, SB raises to $15.6, Hero ???
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09-06-2007 , 01:35 AM
This looks to be an easy repop shove to me... It's unlikely that the CO has much here(set) because he didn't raise your lead...If you can shove/isolate the SB, you are getting ~ 2:1 and with your hand should be a decent value. I think I'd shove here more than I'd fold and I'd rarely call.
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09-06-2007 , 01:36 AM
I fold. One of the callers might easily have a bigger flushdraw and you don't want to play your oesd against 3 opponents on that board. Small pot, just give it up.
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09-06-2007 , 01:37 AM
Rine- Is there any hand other than flopping the nuts that you wouldn't fold?
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09-06-2007 , 01:37 AM
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This looks to be an easy repop shove to me... It's unlikely that the CO has much here(set) because he didn't raise your lead...If you can shove/isolate the SB, you are getting ~ 2:1 and with your hand should be a decent value. I think I'd shove here more than I'd fold and I'd rarely call.
"CO who is very loose and passive. BIG calling station."
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09-06-2007 , 01:38 AM
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Rine- Is there any hand other than flopping the nuts that you wouldn't fold?
Yea, a lot actually. But not this and not your queens.
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09-06-2007 , 01:39 AM
You think a BIG calling station is smooth calling with a set on a drawy board? I'll take my chances that he's not.
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09-06-2007 , 01:40 AM
He might if he's passive, and he surely just calls a higher fd.
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09-06-2007 , 02:12 AM
i prefer call and shove turn
we dont need CO to fold
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09-06-2007 , 05:22 AM
Check the flop, fold as played without great reads.
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09-06-2007 , 05:29 AM
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Check the flop, fold as played without great reads.
is today opposite day?
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09-06-2007 , 06:15 AM
No it's 'actually provide some content to your posts' day. You've failed already.

What good can come out of betting this flop multiway? OP has a hand that wants to see a turn without commiting a lot of money. The best way to do this is by check-calling.
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09-06-2007 , 07:50 AM
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No it's 'actually provide some content to your posts' day. You've failed already.

What good can come out of betting this flop multiway? OP has a hand that wants to see a turn without commiting a lot of money. The best way to do this is by check-calling.
Agreed Remp. Either check call or bet shove are only true options IMHO. I dont like a fold here because even if villain has a set we are drawing to good odds with the OESD, OP, and flush draw.
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09-06-2007 , 08:21 AM
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No it's 'actually provide some content to your posts' day. You've failed already.

What good can come out of betting this flop multiway? OP has a hand that wants to see a turn without commiting a lot of money. The best way to do this is by check-calling.
this sounds like someone who says you shouldn't raise preflop even with a strong hand because you want to see the flop first before "committing a lot of money." op's hand is plenty strong enough to want to play for higher stakes.
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09-06-2007 , 08:30 AM
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Either check call or bet shove are only true options IMHO.
seems to me too that you either want to put in a minimal amount on flop and try to hit, or jam the flop and get allin and see turn+river.
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09-06-2007 , 11:55 AM
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What good can come out of betting this flop multiway? OP has a hand that wants to see a turn without commiting a lot of money. The best way to do this is by check-calling.
I actually thought if I led weak, CO would call w/ anything... yes even 8s8d7h7c on this flop. And button would raise me light, SB would fold, and then I could jam against two weak hands w/ great equity for me.

I didn't expect for them both to call and then get c/r-ed by the small blind. So my plan was foiled and I had no clue what to do when it got back to me.
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09-06-2007 , 03:26 PM
as played shove
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09-06-2007 , 03:47 PM
He has a pair of jack's, a jack high flush draw, and an OE straight draw on a Q-high board in a mutliway pot. This is a hand that either needs to play in isolation against a single player with an obvious hand or multiway as cheaply as possible. Are you really that bad at PLO?
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09-06-2007 , 11:23 PM
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He has a pair of jack's, a jack high flush draw, and an OE straight draw on a Q-high board in a mutliway pot. This is a hand that either needs to play in isolation against a single player with an obvious hand or multiway as cheaply as possible. Are you really that bad at PLO?
I agree. With three other people in the pot including a RR, someone's got a set so your Js are worthless, someone's got a better FD so yours is worthless, leaving you with the straight draw. Even if he had all 6 outs on his straight that wouldn't get enough equity to instashove. With calling stations multi-way this isn't good.

Now, if it was just the calling station or the RR guy (who probably has QQ or TT or AKJ or something dominating half your hand) it might be a different story.

But four way? Call and re-evaluate the SB's actions and BB / CO's reactions on the turn or fold. no shame in losing the three bucks.

Also this is officially "post more than 'lol shove' day."
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09-06-2007 , 11:46 PM
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He has a pair of jack's, a jack high flush draw, and an OE straight draw on a Q-high board in a mutliway pot. This is a hand that either needs to play in isolation against a single player with an obvious hand or multiway as cheaply as possible. Are you really that bad at PLO?
yes, i'm that bad. i think his hand is worth building a pot, even multiway, and if some people fold, even better.
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09-06-2007 , 11:54 PM
I don't think a shove is terrible but if it is higher EV than folding you're really not giving much up. I tend to fold hands like this purely because I'm gonna get shown a higher flush draw and a higher pair between villains' cards when they inevitably call. If we can get it HU, marvellous, potraise it, but in a minraised pot I think we'll get called by dominating hands enough of the time to just dump this here. A hand like KQJ with the king of spades you would repot and want multiple callers, but here I just think you're too vulnerable.
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09-07-2007 , 05:05 AM
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I don't think a shove is terrible but if it is higher EV than folding you're really not giving much up. I tend to fold hands like this purely because I'm gonna get shown a higher flush draw and a higher pair between villains' cards when they inevitably call. If we can get it HU, marvellous, potraise it, but in a minraised pot I think we'll get called by dominating hands enough of the time to just dump this here. A hand like KQJ with the king of spades you would repot and want multiple callers, but here I just think you're too vulnerable.
i agree with this 100% - you are just going to get sandwiched here in a multi way pot by better flushes and pairs, possibly trips
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09-07-2007 , 01:29 PM
I thought I already replied to this but I would probably fold. The only question is if you raise, will the in between guys definitely go away?
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