what now? Villian seems not to like giving up pots with lots of $. no stats.

Converter wouldn't work sry.


Seat 3 is the button
Total number of active players : 5
Seat 1: 1 ( $414.80 )
Seat 2: 2 ( $857 )
Seat 3: Villain ( $1,023.72 )
Seat 4: 4 ( $559.18 )
Seat 5: HERO ( $1,527.92 )
Seat 6: 6 ( $1,835.89 )
4 posts small blind [$2.50]
HERO posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Td, Ah, 6h, Qd ]
Fold, Fold
Villain raises to [$17.50]
Fold
HERO raises to [$55]
Villain calls [$37.50]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, Tc, Qh ]
HERO bets [$112.50]
Villain raises to [$450]

fold. you are behind...maybe super behind.

Raise.

ask yoursef the question, why do i raise preflop deep, if i dont know what to do with top two pair...

hmmmmm, theres something about this play that i dont care for from the very beginning.

as played, fold.

you got position normally on a guy who doesnt like giving up on pots with big money. so why make a play in one of the two spots where you dont have position and with.......quite frankly, the wrong kind of hand.

i'd feel better about your hand and play if you replaced the 6h with Jh.

Does someone have a view based on arguments? The hand isn't to standard, is it?

Top 2 + blockers can't be to far behind vs his range?

Edit: little to late

Raising with double suited connecters seems fairly standard. and im not gonna put 200BB in with top 2 just without thinking about it. altough it seems to be a good flop..

true, but i am advocating a fold based on the feeling that this hand was a slight train wreck from the very beginning.

yes, we could very well be ahead here with blockers.

but the problem is that there are plenty of other scenarios where our hand is crushed or in bad shape and we are oop etc. etc.

is it worth it for these stack sizes?

i feel dirty folding and i feel dirty stacking off.

villan seems like he's easy to nail, so why not wait for a better spot.

imo

am i getting leveled??

no, not at all.

go ahead and stack off if you like.

i said it was my opinion and i'm certainly never right all the time.

we all have different thoughts and philosophies on the game.

one of mine is that omaha is a game or re-draws. we dont really have any good ones here and i personally dont feel comfortable about shipping 200bb's with a naked hand...............possibly in bad shape or crushed.

We need 41,8% equity to stack off, -Perhaps- against the tightest of nits this is a fold, but thats def not what we are up against. He is gonna be pushing all wraps and tons of very strong hands we are doing good against like Q987. Perhaps even stuff like and overpair+OESD. Obv any QT, some even we are freerolling against with our ace. I can't see how this could ever be a fold

2slick you're obviously a live player, and the dynamic is very different online. First, this hand is a fine one to 3bet with; AQTx double-suited dominates the hell out of peoples' opening range and very few players will fold to a 3bet in position 200bbs deep.

If villain 'seems not to like giving up pots with lots of $', we're gonna have to stack off here. He can be bluff-raising, he can have worse two pair/same two pair with no redraw and get stacks in drawing thin, he can have AAJ9, as well as the obvious AKJx/KJ9x type hands and sets.

dont think im ever folding in this spot tbh

lol, wazz, your such a donk. ive played u many times online at stars a few years ago i believe and i always owned you exactly for the reasons i stated. i'm not the one who ever had to borrow money and get staked like you have

So you should feel really good about the $5k you've made from me while you've put in $15k looking for those spots.

ship it

lol, right. if your so good, then why were you always busted?

i remember distictively owning you and i cant believe anyone would pay you for coaching. i seen a sample clip of one of your vids and your reasoning in a particular hand was painful. your such a uk wanker.

i distinctly remember a hand where i raised with in early position and you called me with some rediculous second nut riddled hand. i was the lag on the table and firing flops continuously. i fired flop, you called........big mistake against me #1.

i make flush on the turn...................i check.

you bit.....................mistake and end game#2. i cr maximum and get completely paid off by you. i mean seriously, i never check that spot unless i think someone is a donk.

you beat me once and it was a cooler in a blind/blind situation where you had set over set but i had flush draw with mine and i didnt get there. other than that, the few times you sat at my table, i licked my chops even when i was out of position to you.

other than that, there were many other pots where i got the best of you and there was no way in hell did i give you more to win less. it was the complete opposite of what you state.

easiest shove ever

What's your problem? I wasn't having a go at you saying you're a live player, I play live lots myself and the adjustments aren't easy. It's great that you can remember hands where you owned me and I didn't play particularly well from years ago. It's also great that you can call me a 'uk wanker' for not thinking about poker in quite the same way as you do, which is obviously the correct way.

I used to have bankroll management problems, and I like spending money.

no, i call you a uk wanker because you've always came off the way you do.

you make arrogant statements based on assumptions. seriously, i remember years ago when i used to read these forums and you had an attitude more than once with a few people.......but then you would later apologize and talk about your hissy moods due to tilting from the swings in this game.

never once did you ever think it was the flaws in your game and your aproach (that i exposed a few times while playing you) that were the cause of your demise.

.....and back then, you werent playing for thousands. you only started playing higher because you got staked if i recall correctly..... because you'd constantly go busted at the lower levels.

i cant imagine why anyone would ever want to stake you or get coaching from you. i personally never went bust or made a dime from anything other than playing.

so next time, before you make bold accusations of me being a clueless live player, because you feel i dont understand the dynamics of online plo, think again.

seriously man, that last sample video clip i saw was painful. you flopped a strong hand and it went check check all the way to the river or something like that. the idea of you making money selling a bad product tilted the **** out of me.

How do you know what I was thinking?

Now you're putting words in my mouth.

Link to the sample video clip in question.

Are you colddecker?

2slick WTF?

somebody posts an interesting spot in search of opinions, and you choose to derail the thread,pursuing some weird vendetta you have against wazz because of this comment:



You're way out of line 2slick, so just STFU now.

How can people get into an argument over the most standard hand ever. Just get the money in and leave the handbags on the rail.

2slick, you're owning yourself and showing a mindset of a very poor debater, you've been show up to be wrong and now you're just divulging into childish antics.

well, you never would admit it publicly, hows that? you'd just complain that you run bad.

"2slick you're obviously a live player, and the dynamic is very different online". call me paranoid, but if this isnt a statement as to my cluelessness, then i apologize.

i mean seriously, did you ever consider the fact that the online "thin edges band wagon" can be exploited?

......but then you say i give up 75% to win 25% as if i am so clueless to the point that i dont realize i'm getting robbed. yeah man, i call/fold 20 times before i stack or nail someone. get real man. if your not calling me clueless, then your definately calling me ignorant.

do i care? not really. but what i do really care about is exposing the fact that you arent the player that some might think you are........even though you run your mouth as if your an authority. seriously man, you didnt have all the components to being a winning player back then and i'm not sure if you do now. why else would you resort to coaching and making vids? how you slipped through the cracks like that and became a "certified coach" is beyond me.

i saw the sample clip on cr about a month ago i believe. i have no membership there or any where. never even seen a full video in my life. i only go there to read some blogs and keep my ear to the wall to see how people think in today's modern day game.

no, i'm not coldekker or whoever. dont bother asking because i'll never reveal my identity. in all reality, i am nobody.

It looks like a shove IMHO, there's a lot that could be said for why/why not. Can someone get this 2slick fella to stfu so discussions can continue, looks like he's bitter about something or anti-english, whatever it is it's certainly not his poker knowledge he's trying to use here (does he even have much?).

I would like to read more on playing deep (200bb+), seems like an ideal hand to discuss this further.