I have about 2x pot behind on turn.

Instead of cbetting should i have looked to c/r flop?

MP: $58.55
CO: $50.00
BTN: $50.75
SB: $39.90
BB: $262.85
Hero (UTG): $54.80

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 2 2 J J
Hero raises to $1.75, MP calls $1.75, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25

Flop: ($7.25) K J 6 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.85, MP calls $5.85, BTN requests TIME, BTN calls $5.85, BB folds

Turn: ($24.80) 7 (3 players)
Hero requests TIME

try to get to showdown imo unless u fill up..check turn

check with the intention of what

I used to C/R in these spots as well, but I think it's quite suboptimal. My thought pattern used to be - and I suppose yours is similar - "I'll check to trap, if someone takes the bait, banzai, if they don't, it's not that much of a problem, I got a FD anyway so not much can go wrong."

I think betting out, building a pot, keeping the initiative, and preventing people holding gutshots/OESDs catching up for free is more +EV.

One situation I can think of (off the top of my head) where I prefer C/Ring would be against a very LAP field, i.e. people who would never be raising your flop bet with AKTxhh/QTxxhh type of hands, but who would be bet/calling them when checked to. This allows you to build a bigger pot against them while having the equity advantage.

As gross as it may seem, I'm probably C/Fing turn. Once you bet out and get 2 callers, your Jack high hearts serve the purpose of blockers rather than outs.

My thought process was actually more like "I wanna get my $ in now and not have to play a turn".

If we lead out and get raised obv thats great. But if we lead and get peeled there really arent many great turns for us. Most turns either kill our action or give us a second best hand and being oop w/ this spr just sucks in light of that. Maybe I shouldnt have even opened this hand utg.

Btw I agree with u about the blocker point. And deep down i know ur right about c/f turn as played.

i definately prefer go for the c/r on the flop. by leading here you are almost always getting at least one caller multiway like this, and too many turn cards force you to check and/or are hard to play, especially OOP.

but as played c/f turn unless they both come along.

Man this is a really tough spot..... I hate when people say this as this is not the question you're answering and maybe i play too tight, but my preferences for this hand preflop are:
Fold
Limp
Raise.

The twos are pretty useless with the jacks, one is suited which helps a little but it's not the greatest hand..... but that's not the question you asked. But without the raise it's a smaller pot and easier to play postflop.


Besides a J or 6 you need a Non heart 8 or lower to bet turn i think. I think i go for the check raise on the flop, if the flop checks around and a bad card comes on the turn you can check and call a smaller bet and you are not in as difficult situation cause pot is smaller, plus if a heart comes on the turn you can call as a bluff catcher. It becomes one of those, worse hands really won't call a value bet so you can let someone try to bluff, but it's hard to do with a $25 pot, check flop with intention of raising to get most of in or if checked around pot is small, if it gets check around bet safe turn or check call dirty turn.

As played i would fold to a decent bet but prob call a smaller one.

I check sometimes with the intention of calling and other times folding, depends on the action and player

First, I probably would have folded preflop. I think JJ22, especially OOP, only is going to put you in a tough situation. The best thing you could hope for is to flop top set on a completely dry board which just isn't going to happen all that often to make it worthwhile.

Second, I like betting out on the flop. I think C/R is probably not a good idea because you either run the risk of giving a way a free card or aren't getting as much information from another player's raise. By betting this out, and not having anyone reraise you can most likely rule out anyone having KKxx as no sane person would slow play that on this board. Thus, by betting out you've been able to define everyone else's hands as either a draw or something you have a good edge on (ie two pair w/o a draw or 66xx).

When the heart comes on the turn, I would probably check-fold. Effectively getting it all in by check-calling or raising probably isn't tremendously horrible either. You have a stack to pot ratio of 1.75, so getting it all in with a) a 20% chance or so of filling up on the river, b) you have the 3rd nuts, c) there's a chance the others were on straight draws, and d) rush poker is crazt. But, I think at least one of the callers on flop has one or more K or 6 which are blockers to your filling up, so that would probably lean me to folding.

Anyhow, I probably would just avoid JJ22 in the first place, but I put myself in tough spots like this all the time too. Its something I need to work on. Those are just my two cents, give that this is my fifth or so post I'd take it with a grain of salt.

By saying this, you're basically advocating to C/R every drawy flop with your strong made hands.

Not that gross of spot, imo

Without additional reads, looks like KKxx is not out there w/ exception of KK w/ FD and/or str8 redraws, which is small part of the ranges you are against

as played that turn means you are beat a lot so you don't want to get aggressive and turn this into a 2 player pot as you are likely drawing...

This was my thinking (after the fact) also.

Just with playability in mind, Id much prefer either getting my stack in on flop or be looking at a smaller pot on the turn.

What Id most want to avoid is what happened in the hand: getting peeled on flop and being oop mw on turn with 2x stacks.

c/f turn unless you get a good price

with 2 callers on the flop one of them is practically guaranteed to have a bigger flush

c/c

check with the intention of Folding if not getting a cheap river offer

OP, do you mind sharing turn action? I imagine you checked, then what happened?

I don't like the UTG Pot sized bet with such a marginal hand.

On the turn, being first to act I like a check here. This lets you gain a lot of information OR see the river for free. A lead out bet will likely fold out worse hands and get better hands to call or raise. There aren't any really scarey cards that can come.

If we get don't see the river for free it is very likely we are up against a better flush. If we can assure that 3 players see the river we are likely priced in OR if we are up against just one we might be priced in depending on the bet and/or relative stack sizes.

agree