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04-06-2015 , 03:52 AM

Fishtankz

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Vs fish.
Is this line quads or JJ? Is folding okay?

Microgaming - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €74.61
UTG: €72.80 (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 20)
CO: €80.23 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 42)
BTN: €31.06 (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 27.78, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 18)
SB: €70.24 (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has 9

fold, fold, fold, SB calls €0.25, Hero raises to €1.50, SB calls €1.00

Flop: (€3.00, 2 players) 8

SB checks, Hero bets €3.00, SB calls €3.00

Turn: (€9.00, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets €6.50, SB calls €6.50

River: (€22.00, 2 players) J

SB checks, Hero bets €16.00, SB raises to €59.24 and is all-in, fold

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04-06-2015 , 03:58 AM

Jabonator

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check flop, as played, fold river

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04-06-2015 , 05:20 AM

Travbana

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^ +1

Betting the flop is terrible, this is a way ahead/waaay behind scenario, either he has a bigger boat/Quads and your dead or he has nothing. Check flop and keep the pot small.

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04-06-2015 , 05:49 AM

Mt.FishNoob

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I don't mind betting flop against tight passives but pot size is dumb.

Villain is perfectly repping quads, you don't really have quads all that much here, so there should be bluffs in his range in theory, even KK or AA value check raises aren't that far fetched. I doubt villain is capable though so good river fold.

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04-06-2015 , 11:45 AM

F_Ivanovic

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I would check every street (as played) It's only got 1 street of value initially and I wouldn't make that street on the flop cause small pairs are more likely to fold here knowing there are still 2 streets to play. Potting is really bad. OTT after betting flop we are folding out all smaller pairs so he can only call with 8x and TT-AA that decided to just limp/call pre. Again, given there's still the river to play he might be more inclined to fold any of the big pairs he has - if he does call them tho, he's not calling a river bet too except with the rare AA. Since we're not getting turn + river value, I'd rather just wait till the river to get our value.

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04-07-2015 , 10:41 AM

vidar

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Definitely keeping the pot as small as humanly possible in position.

If he then pots the turn and pots the river it's still only costing you half as much as it ended up doing if you call down.

As played i would definitely check back the river.

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04-07-2015 , 12:46 PM

Sonny Bambo

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

this i agree 100% good tell

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01-23-2016 , 11:06 PM

CRMartin11

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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic

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01-24-2016 , 03:17 AM

OmahaFanatical4

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I think pre is a little marginal even in position. Just check and play out the higher SPR situation instead of pushing a non existent equity edge with this piece of cheese.

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01-24-2016 , 02:10 PM

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MadDogMoody

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Don't pot flop. Seems to narrow his calling range for future streets too much. I can't imagine <JJ calling flop. We turn our hand in to a bluff 100% by potting.

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01-24-2016 , 02:15 PM

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OmahaFanatical4

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this is also the most lock down of lock down boards. there is absolutely nothing out there to protect against.

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01-24-2016 , 04:37 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by MadDogMoody

Don't pot flop. Seems to narrow his calling range for future streets too much. I can't imagine <JJ calling flop. We turn our hand in to a bluff 100% by potting.

(JJ+, 8x) is going to be around 15-20% of villain's range on this board. So, needless to say, when you actually have air, you are potting here every time as a bluff, right?

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