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02-29-2012 , 11:16 PM
    On Game, $0.50/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #12038962

    SB: $66.69 (133.4 bb)
    Hero (BB): $96.96 (193.9 bb)
    CO: $53.10 (106.2 bb)
    BTN: $56.15 (112.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A 6 K 6
    2 folds, SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

    Flop: ($2) 6 Q 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $2, Hero raises to $8, SB raises to $26, Hero raises to $80, SB calls $39.69 and is all-in




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    Vil was at a couple of my tables. Playing 37/27/3ag. 57% steal from the sb and 40% cbet after 200 hands. Did I overplay this?
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    03-01-2012 , 02:05 AM
    3bet his minopen. You have the stack size to call a 4bet anyway.

    Postflop, I think flat>raise. He doesnt Cbet all that much and cbets pot to top it off. You will have no clue what to do to a raise.

    Raising is setting yourself up for a mistake AFAIK
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    03-01-2012 , 07:56 AM
    SPR is 32 on the flop so it feels dirty when you stack off here! Doubt there is a realistic range of hands that we do well against. Surely he doesnt get it in here with bare top 2 so his range is like premium made hands QQ**, 99** and hands like QJT9 or 78TJ and we are crushed by those

    Anyone like a raise flop and fold to 3bet?? dont really like flatting flop when so many cards fill a straight

    interesting spot and would like to hear a few more views on it

    Last edited by buckyohare1985; 03-01-2012 at 08:02 AM.
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    03-01-2012 , 12:08 PM
    I think it is ok, I think bvb vs a somewhat aggressive player we can't fold after raising. I think a flop raise/decide is good despite the fact that getting shoved on is tough.
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    03-01-2012 , 04:17 PM
    I think it´s probably a fold, although I´d have a hard time folding this ingame.

    We are either waaaaay behind (oversets) or flipping against wraps. Don´t know if he´d go bananas with 2pair.

    If I knew how to put more than one hand into the propokertools.com sim I´d be happy to simulate with a "normal" range
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    03-01-2012 , 07:04 PM
    stack-off is pretty bad here
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    03-02-2012 , 07:01 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Pitbullo
    I think it´s probably a fold, although I´d have a hard time folding this ingame.

    We are either waaaaay behind (oversets) or flipping against wraps. Don´t know if he´d go bananas with 2pair.

    If I knew how to put more than one hand into the propokertools.com sim I´d be happy to simulate with a "normal" range
    Just use commas to seperate the hands you want to put in the range

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    4,625,620 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: 6 Q 9
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    As 6h Kd 6s13.67% 632,154784
    99**, QQ**, QJT9, 78TJ86.33% 3,992,682784


    If he stacks off with bare Q9 here we still have less than 30%

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    6,222,160 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: 6 Q 9
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    As 6h Kd 6s28.19% 1,752,9771,957
    99**, QQ**, QJT9, 78TJ, 30%:Q971.81% 4,467,2261,957
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    03-02-2012 , 07:21 AM
    preflop is okay.

    raising on the flop is okay. just fold after he repopps.
    Need some reads if he is willing to do this with Q9x also depends alot on your image, if he thinks you are spewy he would do it with Q9x other than that this is a set over set spot.+

    decission is absurdly read and dynamic dependant. Some poeple wo go full ****** with Q9, other would just fold or call the raise.

    most of the tiem villain has 99 QQ
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    03-02-2012 , 08:17 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by buckyohare1985
    SPR is 32 on the flop so it feels terribad when you stack off here!
    +1
    (FYP)
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    03-03-2012 , 12:27 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bartolomeus
    preflop is okay.

    raising on the flop is okay. just fold after he repopps.

    Need some reads if he is willing to do this with Q9x also depends alot on your image, if he thinks you are spewy he would do it with Q9x other than that this is a set over set spot.+

    decission is absurdly read and dynamic dependant. Some poeple wo go full ****** with Q9, other would just fold or call the raise.

    most of the tiem villain has 99 QQ
    Please do not raise/fold sets to find out where you're at
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    03-03-2012 , 02:58 AM
    Flop is interesting, with the SPR being so huge I think raising for value is good. We want to start building a pot with our hand that we can extract value from on the later streets when the bets are larger. (We arent raising to find out where we are, we are doing it for value, when he repops, he is doing it for value - our hand does bad against his value raise so we can fold calmly)
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    03-03-2012 , 08:48 AM
    That's not a good post in my opinion. Flop SPR being "huge" is a good reason to call. Not that I'm saying you should never raise here. Just don't raise/fold.
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    03-03-2012 , 10:12 AM
    I dont think the general concepts in the Jubs post are bad, but in this particular flop texture I think I also prefer calling. If we check raise and villian calls (which is what we are hoping for since when we get 3bet we arent doing that well) I dont see our EV on future streets as being largely +ev. The reason being that on this board there are alot of difficult turn/river situations which either make it difficult for us to extract value effectively and also bring the potential to fold the best hand incorrectly. Any K,J,T,8,7,5 puts us in a difficult spot, and if a blank rolls of on the turn we face the same problem on the river if villian calls again. Also, if the board pairs its not like I think we are getting paid off super light.

    I think this hand is a nice addition to strengthen our c/c range. Merits of checking are that we underep our hand so villian may value bet worse value hands for us, especially for protection on this board(especially if hes aggressive which would seem so by his stats). I also dont think he should be blindly barreling straightening cards if he assumes our c/c range has enough draws in it, so it just makes out hand easier to play imo and keeps the pot small in marginal spots.
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    03-03-2012 , 10:23 AM
    oh wait i just realised we are in position sigh
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    03-04-2012 , 07:01 AM
    IM never rr with bottom set here in pos. Def way over played
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