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01-26-2012 , 09:16 AM

tizzl

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Hi,

villain seems a reg given he opens 100% over 40hands but plays only 35% oop so far (3bet 17%) but all small sample.

Although he cbets most flops so far i decided to lead flop, don´t wanna cR and see lots of hands that chk back flop in his shoes.

Turn think bet is standard gioven flop play.

River is the spot that i am interessted in the most:

On Game, $5/$5 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11723712

Hero (BB): $505 (101 bb)
SB: $490 (98 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

SB raises to $15, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $25, SB calls $25

Turn: ($80) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $60, SB calls $60

River: ($200) 7

(2 players)
Hero bets $150, SB raises to $390 and is all-in, Hero gets 3:1 ?

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Questions:

1. Whats ur action on river - if u bet: Whats ur sizing?

2. If u bet, how do you react to raise?

3. What do you think about bluffs in villains range (what are ur assumptions) and what do you think we should expect villain to raise for value (weakest hand he raise for value) - any boat?

tizzL

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01-26-2012 , 11:35 AM

Stony1

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1. Vs weaker/stationy player i would bet around 150 but vs a reg in this spot i would bet smaller, around 110 i think.

2. 150 bet: I suck, i should have c/c fk. fold. 110 bet: hmm...call

3. With a 150 bet, against many regs i think u take the T7, 97, J7 combos out of his value raising range even tho i think most players value range is only JJ, TT, 99 vs any bet in this spot. I also think a 150 bet attracts alot less bluffs/calls from big flushes. Can see him bluff w something like As + boat blockers, AsJTx, AsT9 etc but w a higher frequents vs smaller bet.

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01-26-2012 , 11:56 AM

Stony1

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1. maybe smaller, like 60-70 if he got little spazz in him or thinks of me as a weakish.

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01-26-2012 , 12:14 PM

CityHunter

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I like your line. I can't fold OTR... and u're repping a straight, so he could shove a flush in a hu match or an underfull. Fold just vs really passive guys.

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01-26-2012 , 12:18 PM

glakofahn

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Jamming river in V's shoes is awesome with non-QK straight, low flushes, etc.

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01-26-2012 , 01:26 PM

Stony1

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Originally Posted by CityHunter

I like your line. I can't fold OTR... and u're repping a straight, so he could shove a flush in a hu match or an underfull. Fold just vs really passive guys.

Repping str8 on board pairing/ flushing river..shouldnt a check rep str8 better?
I dont think hes repping str8 w that bet...more like nutnut or maybe big flush.

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01-26-2012 , 01:33 PM

Stony1

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Originally Posted by glakofahn

Jamming river in V's shoes is awesome with non-QK straight, low flushes, etc.

Agree, but u think so vs 150/200 bet?
imo sizing is a little off for it..

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01-26-2012 , 03:19 PM

lifeisgood111

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Hmm fascinating hand. Obv dont repping straight when we bet that river ( imao at least) I dont know how light we are getting shoved that river. I can see villain calling light on this river but im not convinced he shoves us light though. Think can end up on this river with a lot of boats. But i think we can get called somewhat light here so would prop bet on the larger size to also leave less of a space of a bluffshove ( not thinking it happens that often though) .

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01-26-2012 , 03:28 PM

tizzl

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I agree with using smaller sizing in this spots, where we can´t really rep air (unless villain is fish)...that said i think betting smaller with my whole range sound reasonable (to me) to get lighter calls/maybe induce something...(and adjust with b/c river more often).

As played my range is usually really capped on river (no boats mostly)...reg probably knows that and could bluff jam although i think my sizing makes it more unlikly...

I prefer betting 110ish meanwhile...

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01-26-2012 , 03:58 PM

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lifeisgood111

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Tizzl, why cant you have a boat. I think there are quite of few hands that have straights all the way and also river a boat. And i assume you would bet some set, and all the set and flushdraws as well so think that adds upp to a lot of boats. So i actually dont think he jams that often as a bluff, and your sizing also decrease that poss imao. If you bet 110 ish is that almost always to call it off then ?

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01-27-2012 , 04:29 AM

#11

tizzl

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Originally Posted by lifeisgood111

Yeah maybe i am wrong but lets say i bet only flushes and boats on river and lead only sets+fd,straights and 2nd NFD or NFD on flop/turn i probably have 3x as many Flushes compared to boats...maybe not as few boats as i thought, if river would brick (a blank 7) and we vbet the straights on river too i definatly have less then 15% boats in my range...

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01-27-2012 , 11:55 AM

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lifeisgood111

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Originally Posted by tizzl

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Are you really vbettings straights on the river? I think the range on the turn consist mainly of straight hands and possible river flush hands, but once you bet that river i think your range is a lot of boats. But i guess if you valuebet straights on that river you obv dont have tons of boat in your range. I would prop only bet boats and 1 or max 2 flushes so my range on the river when i bet that size would be very strong. Interesting hand though. I think i would be my big boats small and my flushes smaller and my hands liket this one the way you did. And then i would fold.

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01-28-2012 , 04:37 PM

#13

Doorbread

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chk river

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01-28-2012 , 10:48 PM

#14

iggymcfly

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I think river's a clear bet. Way too many flushes in villain's range that will check back if we check, but often talk themselves into a call if we bet. As played, I can't let this go either with this little of a read on villain. I think J7 almost always shoves here, and occasionally we'll see worse boats or a bluff as well. Say maybe we're good 12% and chopping 25% or something, that's already enough equity to call. I would size my bet a little smaller on the river though since it's pretty hard to rep a bluff and we want to keep as many flushes in as possible.

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01-28-2012 , 11:19 PM

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Doorbread

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dont think reg call that light given action, v hard for us to get otr with air, bcoz 7 is card that paired he will vbet lighter

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01-29-2012 , 05:21 AM

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mrw8419

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mehh i think villain is more likely to call a flush than to vb with it or turn a hand into a bluff here to make ck'ing more profitable

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01-29-2012 , 07:24 AM

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Doorbread

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i dont think it takes a strong reg to recognize what a 3b means on this board runout

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01-29-2012 , 06:01 PM

#18

tizzl

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Originally Posted by Doorbread

i dont think it takes a strong reg to recognize what a 3b means on this board runout

I agree with that statement and your statement in last post (...we can´t rep much air on river with 3rd barrel....) but:

Don´t you think a check looks strong too compared to a bet (maybe even stronger?) ...because why wouldn´t we continue with our bluffs etc.

That said i doubt that villain is really vbetting thin on river (against a strong (c/c) range)? Not sure if we can induce bluffs with checking river but it seems at least a "better" reason (in theorie) for me to check then check hoping he vbets light...

...or maybe i misunderstood ur argumentation...?

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01-29-2012 , 10:14 PM

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Doorbread

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youre thinking one level too high vs a reg you have no significant history with. you would have to be turning a lot of straights / small flushes into bluffs otr for him to think a bet looks stronger than a chk

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