Sorry if this is basic, I don't play much PLO. It's a round by round home game, 5/10. I have a reputation in this game of being a total nit. I haven't raised many hands at all in PLO, and haven't 3 bet at all in the PLO hands the two sessions I've played in this homegame.

One limp, villain with 600ish makes it 50 to go, a 2.2kish stack calls, a 5kish stack calls, I re-pot in the SB with AJJK. I have about 3k to start the hand. The original raiser has a fairly wide range, but he's not raising crap here. Should I just smoothcall this pre? If the original raiser had a bit bigger stack, I might just call, but if he goes allin pre it's not so terrible since he started with only 600. Is my hand the kind that I prefer a big multiway pot with? The original raiser folds, the 2.2k stack calls, other guy folds. It's heads up to the flop with ~700 in the pot. The caller is a young guy that splashes around a bit, but generally plays pretty well postflop. He probably respects my hold'em game, but probably figures I play very ABC at PLO.

Flop is 932
I pot, meaning if he calls the pot will be 2100ish and effective stacks will be 1350ish. Do I shove a fairly blank turn if he calls? I call the flop if he shoves right? Thoughts on the hand overall? Sorry if this is really standard, but I am pretty new to PLO and am only playing it because it's a really juicy round by round game where I figure to make so much in hold'em that it will make up for any money I lose at PLO over the long run.

Yep, you bet the flop and never fold at any point after that. I would bet less than pot though so as to give the illusion of fold equity.

Preflop your 3bet is fine and this hand plays well multiway. The only negative thing to be said about 3betting this hand is that since it's your first ever 3bet everyone is immediately going to put you on high cards, which is what you have, so they can play closer to perfectly on a lot of boards. That being said there's the possibility of a dream situation happening where the original raiser goes all-in, the other two players call, and you re-shove and they either fold or call with hands that you dominate. Omnomnom.

you flopped the nuts

yes. or raise smaller.

maybe. not really. it has some value, but you would really rather a full open ender mutiway like 8910J ds or 6789ds, etc. those hands have super premium value multiway.

Post flop you have a good chance of being completely crushed with your holdings. Yes, you have an over pair, and yes you have 1 nut draw. But how do you fee vs 99, 33, 22, AA55, AA45, AK45, A654, etc etc etc etc.



stop doing that. pot this flop with 99, 33, 22, and the diamonds.
you can lose it faster and more in PLO! Buckle up.

dunno what you mean with "stop doing that."
potting this all day every day and its a very easy stack off.

as far as the ROE debate goes, i would consider PLO to be my better game, but i have yet to win in a ROE session. and oc i lost all the money in the omaha rounds ... OBV!

you are potting here all day everyday? with a small overpair (JJ) and a 2:1 against NFD?

go for it sport. omaha may not be your game.

all you nlhe players dont ever want to play post flop it seems.

What do you suggest on how to play an over-pair + NFD on a this type of board?

What the **** are you talking about? Hero has the nut flush draw. If you're going to be an arrogant SOB, at least make sure you're right.

If you are going to reply and be an arrogant SOB, at least develop reading comprehension skills.

the OP's NFD is 2:1 against.

if you like potting with a 35 percent chance of making your hand, please give me address to your regular game.

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Soooo...what's a better line then. Id love to hear it.

well....are these hands in the villains 3b calling range 220 big blinds deep?

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

8,437,800 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 923

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdJdKhJh	50.61%	4,259,541	21,536
AA**,KK**,QQ**	49.39%	4,156,723	21,536

if so, check it down and make a nut...even if you dont get his whole stack, you still have a 70 bb pot in omaha if you do make the nut.

hands like KdQd, or naked big diamond blockers are also in 3b calling range.

ban this troll? srsly

Which nut should we make??

LOL op 3 bets pre flop and gets close to the dream flop for his hand without flopping n/f or quads. I don't see anyway in any universe that he can play it diffrent postflop.

just ignore this idiot.

about the hand, i agree 100% w roy.

looking nuts

LOLMAGOD @ ROY, on a wit heater today... LOLOLOL.


Pot/Call all day. If you don't want to pot/call here, then don't 3b pre and set yourself up for opportunities like this...

FYP

very confusing thread. very tempted to re-troll it. but won't.

OP, this is dream flop, do whatever makes you get it in the quickest. some might induce half pot here, some might pot to look weak. guess it comes down to your game flow. with your nitty image, i dont know what is best. since i dont ever have a nitty image

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Overpair + NFD is a strong hand. You should usually play the nut flush draw fairly aggressively in omaha - but not always.

nobody has addressed these questions from the OP, an admitted newbie to PLO. of course aggression is a good default, but position in PLO is even more important than in NLH. with deep stacks and being in the worst possible position for the rest of the hand, i would flat call with this hand.

having a pair in your hand reduces the strength of the hand somewhat, where i would rather have a Q or a T in there (or even a 9) instead of another J. obv if you had the broadway rundown double suited (even single suited), a re-pop in the SB is warranted / standard. of course you add that marginal amount of show down value (a pair of jacks), but unless you hit a set, a pair of jacks is not going to win a big pot.

after you do re-pot pre, i would just bomb it otf. if you had chosen to flat call pre, then c/r pot on the flop.

Chilidog just saved me the trouble of writing it out long-hand, but here is the summary:

• The pair in your hand actually weakens you a little bit, particularly if you're up against a larger pair.
• I think a lot of very good players never three-bet out of position pre-flop (unless they're getting stacks in that way). This hand, pretty as it is, certainly doesn't demand a three-bet OOP.
• There's three positions in PLO: (1) the button, (2) the cut-off, (3) positions where you fold. [1]
• You're going to get all the money in one way or another - try to do it on the flop. This is another reason to just call pre. Then you check/fold the flop or check/shove the flop depending on how things came down. If you check/shove, you've put in the "last raise" and get all the fold equity.

PLO is actually approximately 6x more fun than NLHE - you'll come to the dark side soon.

Regards, Lee
"And we have cookies here, too."

[1] I didn't make up this line; I wish I did.

You got basically one street right here.

Regards, Lee
"Cashews FTW"