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09-06-2017 , 11:02 AM
Please berate this play so maybe I learn something. (edit: Title wrong, we dropped the $5 sb and made it 10/25/50)

Loose/fun 10/25 table. Half the table are full-time winning players, the other half are decent recs. Its late, most people are stuck and the game is playing super big. UTG straddle to 50. Villain (BB) is a fairly LAG pro with $8K and I cover. I don't have much history or meaningful reads on villain other than I know he has played full-time live for 10+ years.

2 limps before I open QQ33ds to $250 from the hijack. Co calls, Button calls, sb fold, BB (villain) 3b to $1,000, and amazingly everyone calls.

Flop ($7,000) 7 players. AT3. Villain shoves $7K all-in. I don't place a lot of significance on my reads on this guy, but he's legit smiling. Just leaning forward with both hands on the table and an ear to ear grin. Folds to me and I tank...fold.

Spoiler:
I ask to see and he shows me three cards. QJT
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09-06-2017 , 11:37 AM
lag = can 3bet non AAxx hands. such a snap.
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09-06-2017 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HUMBLE.
lag = can 3bet non AAxx hands. such a snap.
SPR of 1...snap
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09-06-2017 , 01:00 PM
backdoor diamonds...snap
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09-06-2017 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirate1081

Spoiler:
I ask to see and he shows me three cards. QJT
well, your nittery was correct in that case. no way this isn´t QJTT if he shows the other 3 cards.
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09-06-2017 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
well, your nittery was correct in that case. no way this isn´t QJTT if he shows the other 3 cards.
Unless it is AQJT
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09-06-2017 , 10:05 PM
Against your average 3bets only AAxx player this is obviously an ugly spot but based on your read that he is 3betting with a wide range you have to GII here, still plenty of 2p combos and Broadway stuff like AKQJ and other hands that will GII here. You run into TT+ it's pretty unlucky
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09-06-2017 , 10:21 PM
Alright thanks all. I assumed this was the consensus. HU obviously I'd snap 100%. For some reason I got stuck on the thought that he shoved >100bb (almost 300 for the 10/25 we had been playing) into 6 opponents in a spot where he's going to get called a lot. I recognized that I was playing badly and quit the game shortly after this.

Last edited by Pirate1081; 09-06-2017 at 10:33 PM.
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09-08-2017 , 06:33 AM
Good fold. I'm not snapping off 280BB with bottom set, esp. with 4 to act behind.
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09-08-2017 , 07:19 AM
Given the read I don't hate the fold but its close, weird spot, villain would know no one has aaxx after everyone flats and feel happy shoving, given the cards he showed he should be be more likely to have aqjt than qjtt because one of them makes way more sense to raise

I think pre-flop decisions were not ideal, the initial raise seems optimistic, both the 33 and non-nut flush draws tend to be trouble combinations

Facing the raise to 1k I think there is probably still a good case for folding, without getting into why I think that is correct you will still end up in some gross spots like

2 players all in on 753/643/543/763 flops and you will sometimes call drawing close to dead

Not that Kq and aq flops will necessarily be easy to navigate either
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09-08-2017 , 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Given the read I don't hate the fold but its close, weird spot, villain would know no one has aaxx after everyone flats and feel happy shoving, given the cards he showed he should be be more likely to have aqjt than qjtt because one of them makes way more sense to raise

I think pre-flop decisions were not ideal, the initial raise seems optimistic, both the 33 and non-nut flush draws tend to be trouble combinations

Facing the raise to 1k I think there is probably still a good case for folding, without getting into why I think that is correct you will still end up in some gross spots like

2 players all in on 753/643/543/763 flops and you will sometimes call drawing close to dead

Not that Kq and aq flops will necessarily be easy to navigate either
If we are scared to gii post with and spr of 1 when flopping 333 then we should be folding pre
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09-08-2017 , 09:40 PM
The more players in the pot, the higher the effective SPR becomes. So even though this is a 1 SPR pot, we're going to treat it as a 4 SPR pot, since there are so many players to the flop.

Are you happy to stack off QQ33 on a AT3 board in a HU 4 SPR pot?

I'm probably going with this hand, just like I'm probably going with ATxx or KQJx too, but it's nothing I'm too thrilled about.
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09-09-2017 , 04:46 AM
snap that **** and pray
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09-12-2017 , 11:48 PM
good fold.
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