Villain is a solid reg that I've played with quite a bit on the holdem tables but not so much at PLO. He is generally aggro and solid. Stats for players in the hand are below.

My image is tight TAG on the PLO tables. I can be a maniac when playing holdem but I've been pretty straight forward on the PLO tables and I'm sure villain notices this. Do we bet turn? If we bet, then how much and what is the plan...bet/call, bet fold, or if called do we jam blank rivers?


$400.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players

SB: $521.60
BB: $405.85
UTG: $432.40 - VPIP: 37, PFR: 10, 3B: 3, AF: 3.0, Hands: 232
MP: $936.32 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 6945
CO: $332.40
Hero (BTN): $976.70 - VPIP: 28, PFR: 23, 3B: 9, AF: 3.2, Hands: 3627

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with 8 J J 5
UTG calls $4, MP raises to $14.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $14.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $10.50

Flop: ($49.50) 7 4 J (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $37.12, Hero raises to $108, UTG folds, MP calls $70.88

Turn: ($265.50) 5 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero?

hero bets 222 and calls a shove

check

you check the turn and fire on any red river. check back or fold any black river except paired boards.

thats omaha. tuck and run.


you played pre flop and flop well.

if you pot here he will call with any nut draws or possibly shove and put you in a bad spot. you can likely get paid for a nice value bet with almost ANY river card except the 18 non-paired spades and clubs left (which is why you check back the turn).

raise flop bigger, b/c turn

Def raise flop abit bigger and bet call turn.

please FFS b/c turn.

I think if he just calls when you bet the turn you can bet non extra straight rivers with a certain degree of confidence.

yes

doing anything other than b/c here is terrible, my sizing is $202

b/c and villain somehow has a str8= -$417
folding out a draw e.g. nfd= +$44

normally b/c is a nobrainer.
imo this deep check back is preferable.

villain c/c = +doesnt matter, never happens.

What are you talking about? You are saying that villain is only shoveling straights there? Also, how did you come out with those numbers?

yes,villains shoving range is almost excl str8`s.
his sets or big combodraws he`d prob have shoved otf.
for the numbers,sry anybody with half a brain can do this.
-how big is final pot?
-how many outs do we have?
-our %tage,our return,invested money,bla bla bla

if we make him fold
-how many outs did he have in avg otf
-translate in %tage of pot otf,etc.

You failed to mention the money we lose when we check back turn and the flush.

you mean implied odds?

no, giving our opponent a free card and losing our equity in the pot, which is probably a way more common occurrence than our opponent having a made straight right now.

i think you're also mistaken in assuming that our opponent doesn't often have some two pair hand that he doesn't want to get in on the flop, for fear of being up against big draws and sets, or similar made hands and draws, etc - but has now turned some sort of fd + gs type hand or similar, and wants to get it in for value. thinking that our opponent always has a made straight when he c/rs this turn is being overly pessimistic, imo.

i don`t see villain going for a CR ott with two pair hands.

so that's where we differ, i guess. no 89T + spades? no aa89 + spades? you think there are no hands in his turn c/r range that aren't the nut straight? what about when he checks to call, what about the value we miss there?

ofc,we loose value if villain c/c.
but what about value we gain by underepping our hand and villain stabs otr?
plus checking back is great for our image (if it comes to light).