Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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Hero (BB): $200.00
UTG: $272.75
MP: $64.35
CO: $285.15
BTN: $210.65
SB: $40.50

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 6 9 A
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($5.00) A 6 9 (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, UTG folds, CO folds, BTN raises to $12.50

Not much data on villain. 25/9 over 200 hands. What would you do?

Thanks in advance,
WM

Does SB fold?

raise preflop all day.. also u should probably post what ur image is too

Why did you flop lead so small...?

Pretty weird spot, you're like 38-40% vs any set, but you crush the straight+flush draws.......

I like calling as played.

Yeah oops, SB folds.
I'm newish to table, but my image would be TAGgy.
I do like PFR here often, but like it more vs. fewer players.
I lead small hoping to either get popped (like I did) or to suck in worse draws or just build a pot with my premium hand. Plus leading small with my premium made and/or drawing hands gives cred to my bluffs.
-wm

That's interesting. Why? What's your move on good and bad turns?

so if you wanted to get popped i take it you have a planned response?

Mainly because re-raising and then having to face a shove sucks a lot.

It's a limped pot, so we're still fairly deep, we can see a turn and then check/fold a paired turn because I think sets make up a large part of his range.

My planned response is "get the money in," but I'm open to suggestions. I don't think such a line is at all obvious, but it's what I came up with.

My reasoning is basically what was alluded to earlier, i.e. at worst I'm 38-40% dog vs. any set (only AAxx has me destroyed and even then I'm still only about 33% dog).

I have any draw completely destroyed (haven't got the numbers on hand). I could easily imagine a pretty solid villain raising with a full wrap and a FD.

Also, I could very well be on a massive freeroll vs. top two.

-wm

Banana: I'm with you on the "limped pot, still deep" angle. But if the board pairs the turn... now I have the underfull. I can only fold the turn if I put him exactly on AAxx or 99xx. That said, I may be able to seriously put on the brakes and lose the minimum.

Also, since it is a limped pot it actually seems to me less likely that villain has AAxx (plus the fact there is only one way for him to have AAxx which is if I'm holding the case ace).

-wm

Does it really suck? I think against a range of 99**, 66** and awesome wraps we're still like 50%. I looked it up earlier but I don't have the calcs handy so maybe I'm completely wrong. This hand looks like a proper monster to me, my first thought is to repop.

Wow kk I shouldn't post while tired, didn't see that we make a FH with a board pairing turn.

If the board does pair, I think we can check/call a bet, and then check/fold to a large river bet.

This is a pretty weird spot, I'll need to think about it a bit more, though I can't see either call or raise being thaaat much better than the other..... but this is really read dependent, and without reads, I'd much prefer to control the pot size.

Pot the flop. As played, I flat his raise and play from there.

just get it in. button has more draws than made hands considering how you got all the cards.

Just as an aside... Deep stack play is quite difficult, and experts will do circles around you if you aren't sure what you're doing here. Given that you have EXACTLY 200 bb's, I'm guessing you bought in for this much at a deep stack table. I think this hand is a lot easier to play if you raised pf.

I don't think there's any clear play here, but I think a tougher player just three bets and prays. I don't see how calling can be so bad either.

3bet all day

Amazed that it took 12 responses to say this.

how is this not an automatic shove?

I prefer a raise preflop, esp given all of you are deep except SB. bet pot on the flop, as a general rule when you lead at an unraised pot always bet pot or close to it regardless of your holding/intentions, underbetting when the pot is so small compared to the stacks is close to never a good idea.

on the flop I prefer a 3-bet, not necessary a repot though and if he reraises again shoving (or close to that) is alright but calling have some merits too.

even if a set is not very likely because you have 3 pairs, if he 4-bets the flop the probability he actually has that of course goes up quickly.

I was in fact playing a deep stack table with auto-top-up on so never to get below $200.

Comments on PF play are appreciated. Is it bad reasoning to think that I would rather PFR out of BB with fewer players? I agree I hold a strong and deceptive hand here, but I usually raise here to isolate 1 or 2 weak players. I see the merits of building a pot with a PFR in a multiway pot, but I would have thought that being deep stacked would actually lend weight against this. Probably nitty of me, but I like to be able to get close to all-in with a PSB on the flop when I catch a favorable flop and I've PFR from out of the blinds, especially vs. so many players. This way I take away my post flop positional disadvantage when I flop less than monster hands/draws. Incidentally, I do consider the hand + flop under consideration a monster. But when considering a PFR in this spot I don't expect such a miracle (cursed?) flop.

-wm

Interesting, why?


Not sure I get 3-betting less than pot unless we can get away from the hand. If reraised (likely potted), and we call, what's the plan for the with effectively 1.5ish PSB left? Can we fold if the board pairs? Or, if the straight comes? I feel like I would be more likely to be able to get away from the hand (or lose the min) if I just called the flop.[/QUOTE]


Definitely. But even so, I'm still better than 33% to win vs. worst case AAxx. So, I still have to call a repop even if I "know" he's got a set.

-wm

Forgive me, but I don't get this discussion at all. Against a range of {99**,66**} we actually have 51% equity. Throw in aces and we're 45/55, and it really seems like aces should be heavily discounted, since I can't think of why villain would limp behind on the button even with ratty aces. There's just no way to get it in bad on this flop, and since we're out of position I'd love to get my stack in the middle ASAP.

everything I was too lazy to type out.

I guess I'll chalk this one up as a cooler then. Thanks for the input. Here's the replay for anyone who is interested. Was a fun hand.

-wm