He's a pretty good reg, he calls this flop with a lot of stuff cause I'd been c-betting a lot. He raises my c-bet with nut hands every time cause I think he thinks I stack off kind of light. He might be right. He doesn't stack off that light, but he does do some interesting read-based stuff (only calling with second nuts, hero calls yada yada). Just curious.






Poker Stars $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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BTN/SB: $600.00
Hero (BB): $803.50

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with A A J K
BTN/SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, BTN/SB calls $36

Flop: ($108.00) T 7 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $72, BTN/SB calls $72

Turn: ($252.00) 9 (2 players)

I don't think that your hand is strong enough to check-ship and I think we fold out some two purrs sometimes if we bet $250 so I bet $250/call.

60%-80% pot

so we have a gs, a non-nut fd, and an overpair on a 4-straight board? We realy wana be stacking off here?

I think check/ship is superior over bet/call here, cause imo the times he's gonna make floaty bets when we check > the times he makes spewy raises (or calls) when we bet.

yup, i definitely check/ship too

its a check. i'm not completely convinced whats the best line after we check though.
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you think anyone suggesting bet/call or check-shove actually WANTS to get all-in?

then why are you check/shipping, as a bluff?

bet/call is actually wanting to get it in...if you bet/call, there is no chance of winning...

Firstly, I would normally c/f this flop. Is this stnd for you to cbet here?

Turn, I think I would c/c since you say he would have played 89XX fast so he often will be giving you a free river.
But I agree that the turn is tricky.
If he is the type to bet 2pr here I think a c/r is decent but its spew if he is checking back 2pr a lot. A lead is considerable too but it doesnt have much FE and it sucks to get raised because we have to call off in bad shape.

It's standard indeed to c/f flops you totally miss, but you have to mix it up a bit, and this is a decent "bad" flop to do so. We have backdoor straight and flush draws, so if we get the right card on the turn, we can keep applying pressure cause our equity will still be decent.

One of the biggest leaks that people have is assigning pessimistic ranges when they have overpairs. If you have AA and the flop is 8 4 6, COULD someone have 57xx or 86xx or some hand that has you crushed? Of course. But if they can have combos of 57 and 86 they can have a gazillion other combos that you're doing fine against. Making it a standard to c/f somewhat coordinated flops with overpairs is a losing proposition.

Gavz, I had the exact same thought process as you. I asked a couple people after the hand and they both said check/ship. I didn't think this was a great idea, and after doing the math, i have 27% equackity against a straight on the turn, and i'm getting correct odds to bet/call plus i have some fold equackity.

I would never bet/fold 2p in villain's shoes, IDK how exploitable it is but I'd pretty much never have a bet/folding range in position on that board so yeah

Yer I mean it just seems to me, with stack sizes as they are, by check-shipping you're getting villain to committ with a hand thats going to be better the vast majority of the time before shipping which obv seems bad.

who says you need to fold if you check flop? i dont hate c/c flop and turn line. at least this way youre not getting raised off your equity otf and we dont know how much his bet when checked to range differs from his calling range when we lead.

If he bets the turn he's not folding better. B/c.

What do you mean, no chance of winning? We have clubs, queens, and possibly aces and board pairing, not to mention the possibility he just folds to our lead.

The only problem I have with bet-calling is that sometimes he's going to flat in position and bluff in a big pot, so we're going to have to check-call 100% of rivers.

He can easily be floating this dangerous flop and then betting the turn with only one pair and no draw, so I think check-ship is ok. Practically it looks to me like there's not much difference between check-shipping and bet-calling.

defintely bet call