I just sat down 1 orbit ago.
no reads on villian, game seems pretty standard though


my turnplan was obv betting smallish and calling off his shove. what do you guys do? as played, do you call the river?

Poker Stars $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
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UTG: $1115.65
MP: $734.30
Hero (CO): $666.00
BTN: $525.00
SB: $1405.40
BB: $1502.20

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q A K T
1 fold, MP raises to $12, Hero raises to $45, 1 fold, SB calls $42, 1 fold, MP calls $33

Flop: ($141.00) Q 3 K (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $120, SB folds, MP calls $120

Turn: ($381.00) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $180, MP calls $180

River: ($741.00) A (2 players)
MP bets $389.30 all in

I'd prefer three betting this PF if the Ace was suited, but obv that's not too much of a big deal here.

How fast was his river shove?

This kinda seems like one of those spots where his hand is super polarized to the nuts or a bluff. Most JT combinations have to raise your turnbet given the two flushdraws out there, so I just don't see JT making any sense here. Sets would raise flop, and AA obv isn't too likely just given hand combinations and it would probably c/c the river also. So it seems like he got there with the running diamonds or he's on air.

I'd call.

I like the preflop raise. turn, i would pot here. therefore i decided at turn to put in the rest of my money on river.
as played i would mix fold and call, really dependant on reads and game dynamics...

edit -- just noticed you have the Qd which means he cannot have the nuts which skews this even more towars air IMO.

If you dont think he would check tj to you on the turn, u really need to bet more and protect your hand. Theres now 2 f draws out there and if he doesnt have some kind of tj hand, he should have the nut clubs, making your clubs dead. As you are only just over 100bb deep I think this is the best option. Had you been any deeper i might be inclined to check behind and call pretty much any bet he makes on any river card.

As played, call the river and expect to lose about half the time.

i think a 2/3 - psb would've worked on the turn. you've got a monster hand and i don't think the villain has jt or else he probably would've lead out with a psb all the draws. either way, you're bound to call his c/r on the turn.

i'd don't like that river card. it's likely he picked up the redraw and hit his diamonds. i don't know if it's possible to get away from your hand but i'd be inclined to fold (considering i just sat down in the game). i'm not expecting to win this pot with a call.

Fold.

I hate hands like this.
Great PF hand, awesome flop and from there it develops to a huge pile of crap that costs you a BI.

This is a fold. You holding Qd makes it less likely he's repping the nuts (dah.) If you call here, I think you'll see JT that decided to flat call turn to bluff you off a chop because he put you on JT and more likely someone backdoored into a random diamond flush that didn't want to give you reversed implied odds with a c/c line.

With some background info, vs some opponents, this is a call virtually everytime but vs. an unknown i'd bail

I prefer calling preflop but dont hate the 3-bet. fold river, JTxx (with or without diamonds) is definitely a high possibility and his line doesnt look very bluffy at all.

i dont understand why your turn plan would be to bet small to induce a shove then call?!? or bet small to give drawing odds to a better draw that will fold to a pot bet?!? you either have to pot the turn or check. w/ your hand strength and stack sizes potting the turn is the best play.

yeah I don't like the turn at all

No info on the player? then how the hell do you know you're going to induce a shove?
I bet like 4/5 pot here or full pot all day and its not even close.

As played and with no info, I would fold this river.
In reality I would probably call and expect to lose, but I think its a fold here.

cmon now lets be serious. JT without diamonds is raising that turn 1000000000% of the time. JT with diamonds is almost as much.

thanks for replys, some of my thoughts:

preflop: i'd always only flat a potsized raise here, but since it is only a minraise i decided to pump it up to fold out BTN, isolate the minraising guy,etc but calling is fine too for sure

turn: i dont think he checks JT too often here, so i think we are ahead like 90% of the time. if i pot is i'd take it down almost always for sure, but since hes kinda wierd (pre minraise), hoped to get him to do a "bluff" c/r with some weakish hand like pair + FD (which i have tons of equity against) by betting so small. This is obv a holdem move and might work here as well against an aggressive, bad player, but without a read you guys are probably right, i should just take it down

river: i can never see him c/c the turn with JT, so the only hand that really beats me is the flush. but he obv cannot have Kd Qd, so only some wierd smallish FD is possible, so i decided to call and expect to see a bluff often enough