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02-19-2011 , 11:19 AM

Zacharrrr

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thoughts on this ? villain is a casual fish who does crazy stuff at times. he won a big pot 2cnd hand and open limped the btn for the next 40 hands or so, we only played really small pots until this developed.

thoughts ? input appreciated for all streets.

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PL Omaha $6(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,067)
($1,857)

Hero antes $1.20
antes $1.20

Dealt to Hero 7

raises to $20.70, Hero raises to $62.10, calls $41.40

FLOP ($126) 7

Hero bets $72, calls $72

TURN ($270) 7

Hero bets $156, calls $156

RIVER ($582) 7

Hero bets $276, raises to $841,

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02-19-2011 , 11:26 AM

Baneling

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would he raise any boat on the river? does he slowplay often?

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02-19-2011 , 11:31 AM

Wolfram

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Seems like a pretty clear fold to me.

There's only 3 hands we beat here.
1. Random spades that double floated, which I think is unlikely.
2. A bad 5xxx that decided to turn itself into a bluff, even less likely.
3. 68 that's trying to get you to fold a chop, pretty much impossible.

I just don't see how he can have anything else, and since 2 and 3 are barely in anybodies range, I think 1 is the only possibility and even that is discounted by the fact that most villain's won't double peel a spade-draw on a paired board.

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02-19-2011 , 11:33 AM

Roman

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I sigh but fold

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02-19-2011 , 11:35 AM

Zacharrrr

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Originally Posted by Baneling

would he raise any boat on the river? does he slowplay often?

no i dont think he would slowplay

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02-19-2011 , 11:40 AM

Baneling

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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr

no i dont think he would slowplay

that makes me want to call, as fishes tend to be polarized with river raises.

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02-19-2011 , 11:49 AM

Vanhaomena

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Gotta call, these people repot 5xxx prior to the river (mostly OTF) and you block 77

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02-19-2011 , 01:03 PM

chipchip

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i snap fold here. Sometimes i wait for like 3 seconds, becuase i hate folding, but i do it anyway. fish dont bluff here. so you gotta have a read they do.

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02-19-2011 , 01:22 PM

crashwhips

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If your read that he doesn't slowplay is correct think this is a call. I think he pretty much has to have flopped a boat or have 446x to have you beat, since someone not prone to slowplaying should be raising all his naked 5's on that flop given that there is a flush draw and many straight draws. I mean, my initial read was, he has 57xx 77xx quite a bit but if he would raise those hands on flop or turn then I think you can make a profitable hero. That's a big assumption though, and it doesn't sound like your read on this was solid.

I can see some random fish "who does crazy stuff at times" spazzing out with a bricked nfd or an overpair here

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02-19-2011 , 03:24 PM

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Hoopster81

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fold

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02-19-2011 , 03:54 PM

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HenrikeeBR

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ask him to go to hell

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02-19-2011 , 03:59 PM

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bigbgballin

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River is a very clear check call.

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02-19-2011 , 04:53 PM

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Syous

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is he the type to blocker bluff? i.e. raise or 3bet with the nut flush blocker etc. ?

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Originally Posted by bigbgballin

River is a very clear check call.

I like this the best. I think betting was incorrect unless you really think he stations off any 7x

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02-19-2011 , 05:34 PM

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FBP

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I like check/call better yeah, you're not making a big profit with this vbet against anybody but a big station. And c/c helps balance better.

As played, I'd fold, but wouldn't like it.

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02-19-2011 , 06:55 PM

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praios

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easy laydown imo

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02-19-2011 , 06:57 PM

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jj12

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given your description of villain I prefer a c/c, if he does crazy stuff, your half pot river vbet might have induced him and we are in a tough spot now.

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02-19-2011 , 08:10 PM

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Doorbread

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bet / fold more on river bout tree fiddy

Last edited by Doorbread; 02-19-2011 at 08:10 PM. Reason: but really like 420

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02-19-2011 , 08:49 PM

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ANY2CARDZ

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I usually just bet fold here without a ton of thought, I think check call is interesting, but I cant figure out if it outweighs the betfold. The fact that villain is up and has been trying to play small ball makes this a super easy fold from my exp.

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02-19-2011 , 09:33 PM

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bigbgballin

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Originally Posted by Doorbread

bet / fold more on river bout tree fiddy

Doesn't he have more floats in his range than worse hands that will pay us off?

edit: It just seems that either he has us crushed with a slow played boat, or is on random air. So why bet fold? He should never get to the river with just a five and pay us off like this, and the amounts that he heroes with 7x or overpair+spades should be negligable.

Last edited by bigbgballin; 02-19-2011 at 09:47 PM.

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