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Benni - PLO is postflop. Dont warry about pre!! Those things depend heavily on post flop SPR. Also, pretty sic that u have your own questions thread. well played.

Isnt my Pre Hand important for future postlfop.
You think not as important ..

But some hands hit Flops better than others i guess also it depends on 6max/hu certainly.

There are obviously Charts for Postflops.
Also pure playability charts for hands. (How often they are hitting flops and so on.)

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07-09-2014 , 08:08 PM

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coon74

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Originally Posted by TopPair2Pair

Benni - PLO is postflop. Dont warry about pre!!

Sure, a recreational player like you can afford such an approach, but remember that, to most people here, poker is the only significant source of income

Preflop play is indeed subordinate to postflop one in PLO, but shouldn't be arbitrary for this very reason.

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07-10-2014 , 05:48 AM

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TopPair2Pair

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Okay, maybe that sentence came across a bit blahzey. Reasoning for said statement is thus:-
Once you learn pre you cannot unlearn pre.

And, by "pre" I am talking about pure pre hand selection etc... NOT hand forms and how they interact with flops. Personally, benni, I would suggest you read and watch as much by Tom Chambers on pre as you can and this will teach you all you need to know imo.

Again. Dont waste too much time on pre--spend more time on postflop studying imo. I would snap all day long take the horse spending 2:1 time on postflop then pre.

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07-10-2014 , 06:17 AM

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Benni19

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Is the handchart from here with little adaption to vpp(range) from opponent also beeing aware of position enough for pre?
At least from my perspective this is everything you have to know about pre.

What is important post?

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07-12-2014 , 01:31 PM

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Benni19

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Please post the Startingchart!!

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07-13-2014 , 08:17 PM

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Benni19

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What do you guys think about the hadncharts from leak buster?

ps.
please reup the chart.

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07-15-2014 , 07:20 AM

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nnstrt

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Nice. What does BBBxds mean?

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07-15-2014 , 07:49 AM

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Mad Twatter

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Originally Posted by nnstrt

Nice. What does BBBxds mean?

Three broadway cards (A, K, Q, J or T), and a dangler, double suited.

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06-05-2016 , 02:37 PM

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Gillingham

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QQJ8ss

JJT7ds/ss

Probably a silly question but do the hands above mean

eg. QQJ8 ss, does that mean just the exact hand QQJ8 or QQJ8 and QQJ9, QQJT?

and JJT7 means just JJT7 or JJT7 and JJTT8 JJ109? :S

cheers for any help

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06-05-2016 , 02:41 PM

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Gillingham

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and also does AKQJ-T987

does that mean it includes QJT9 and other variations, i guess it does?

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06-05-2016 , 03:19 PM

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ladybruin

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Good bump.

AKQJ-T987 with the "-" clearly means all the no gap rundowns in between.

QQJ8 can be taken here to mean QQJ8, QQJ9, QQJT. Better syntax would have said QQJ8+ or QQJT-8 or with brackets or parenthesis. And even though QQJ8 was written here to mean QQJ8, QQJ9, QQJT....if you put this incorrect syntax in PPT it will only think you mean QQJ8. Syntax is very important in simulators!!! And not each simulator uses the exact same syntax, although PPT syntax is the most common.

Also, on the rare occasion, there are hands in PLO in which the higher hand isn't a play, but most hands charts are meant to simply and might include a non-playable hand or two.

Last edited by ladybruin; 06-05-2016 at 03:37 PM.

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07-20-2016 , 03:31 AM

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pecus

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Excellent post, gives more perspective for my preflop game.

Has anyone count or try this chart? What sort of VPIP or RFI rates it gives?

Last edited by pecus; 07-20-2016 at 03:32 AM. Reason: :)

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09-10-2016 , 05:08 PM

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xPISCIVOROUSx

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

Every now and then, there's questions about playable pre-flop ranges in the beginners' thread. As with all things in poker, the correct way to answer is "it depends". Despite that notion, I decided to give the noobs something to go on. The following chart mostly applies to opening, flatting or defending pre-flop in a vacuum - and since there's no such thing as a vacuum you can treat it as "average". It does not address 3betting.

You have to treat this range as imperfect, as it completely disregards table dynamics, stakes and other reads. If someone strongly disagrees with some part of it, I'm willing to alter it accordingly if so convinced.

BLINDS/UTG/MP:

AA/KKxx
QQxxds
AKQQ-QQJ8ss
AKJJ-JJT7ds/ss
AsQQx, AsJJx
QJTT-TT98ds/ss

AKQJ-T987ds/ss
AKQT-JT97ds/ss
AQJT, KJT9ds/ss

AsKQx-AsJTx
BBBxds

medium connectors + NFD
AsT98-876ds/ss

good doublepairs ~QQ22-8877

CO, add:

QQ/JJxx

TT97-76ds/ss
KQ99-9965ds/ss
QJ88-8876ds/ss
JT77-7765ds/ss

AsTTx-77x

9876-6543ds/ss
T986-7653ds/ss
T876-8654ds/ss

decent danglers:
AKQx-JT9xds/ss

low connectors + NFD
A765-543

decent doublegappers
KT97ds/ss-8753ds/ss

high ds multigappers
AT76ds-QT86ds

decent suited aces
AsQ98-AsT76

all doublepaired hands

BTN, add:

all* suited As (all but the worst, like As222)

random multigappers like QT86ss, 7642ds/ss

CLIFFS:

-nitty from blinds/EP
-open up from CO
-speculate from BTN

Now it's up to you to apply this average range to the table dynamics in the hand you're about to play. Nutty hands with poor floppability play better multiways and single-raised (or even limped), while non-nutty but well-flopping prefer HU and 3betting. Against tight players you gotto let the bottom of your range go, while reckless speculation can be justified vs a whale in some situations.

Have fun mixing it up!

Are these still viable in todays game? any adjustment that we need to make? I know it depends on many factors but we need a startup point, cheers.

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09-10-2016 , 05:20 PM

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tofurocks

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Originally Posted by xPISCIVOROUSx

Are these still viable in todays game? any adjustment that we need to make? I know it depends on many factors but we need a startup point, cheers.

Yes, it shouldn't make too much of a difference what game you're playing in. Obviously you can take out / add some hands depending on if your game is very loose / tight but overall this list is really solid IMO.

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09-12-2016 , 11:03 AM

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TAKEALLACTION

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Has anyone found what these ranges equate to in terms of opening frequencies? Is this ripped from ppt top % or is there consideration placed on board distributions. I.e removing of certain combos within the top % to make way for board coverage a la opening 67s in Hold em and folding a7o.

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