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2nd Nut str8. vs c/r otr 2nd Nut str8. vs c/r otr

08-29-2013 , 09:55 AM
co 59\17, 85 hands
aggr 27\14\44 (by street),18 wtsd
donk 20% (15 samples)

bet bigger-fold?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19137372

CO: $111.62 (223.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $84.27 (168.5 bb)
SB: $21.50 (43 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)
MP: $32.96 (65.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 6 5 7 2
MP folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB calls $1.75, CO calls $1.75

Flop: ($7) 3 8 7 (3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50, BB folds

Turn: ($12) 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $8, CO calls $8

River: ($28) 4 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $11.42, CO raises to $32.50, Hero calls $21.08
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08-29-2013 , 02:17 PM
I think your flop sizing looks a little weak on the river. His R-agg being 44 its likely he takes you for a missed draw/weak made hand and is bluffing you off it repping nuts so as played i call as well.

I think I would check back river (is that terrible?)
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08-30-2013 , 10:41 AM
please tell me he doesnt have an Ace for the 5 high straight. I would have a hard time not putting him on 6-9 on that river x-raise
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09-01-2013 , 05:41 AM
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I think I would check back river (is that terrible?)
not really sure about it. I would do so a month or few ago, now I see clear value. but still an issue for me a bet otr and what sizing to choose.

but at same time not really much (expect herocalling sets) we can get value from. so, we should consider check back
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09-02-2013 , 09:17 AM
checking back river is bad. we need to bet for value with our line/range comparing to his

turn i check back

if he leads river small i call, if he bets huge i would fold
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09-02-2013 , 09:49 AM
We have a blocker to the bottom straight (i don't think that calls anyway), I doubt given the action that he folds same straight and he raises nut straight which we cant call. As played its v.unlikey he calls 2P or set hands

What calls our turn bet that we can get value from on the river?
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09-02-2013 , 10:23 AM
I think you played it fine. I may fold to bigger flop bet tho'.

As played, call river. I don't see why a 69 would CC turn then CR river. Smell fishy... CR t then pot R makes more sense.

Imagine this, if V had 69 and bet turn and river, you would call and lose the similar amount anyway.
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09-02-2013 , 10:38 AM
hes calling river with any worse straights and sets also some stuburnly bad played KKxAAx too/2pair too.

as played i would still b/f river, like the sizing btw, even if we get good odds, but i dont expect him to bluff river ever.
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09-02-2013 , 10:41 AM
he has the same hand
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09-02-2013 , 11:58 AM
Fold flop
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09-02-2013 , 12:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Fold flop
To be fair, this ^
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09-02-2013 , 12:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doorbread
he has the same hand
yes thats another reason to bet river.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Fold flop
also good
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09-04-2013 , 04:39 AM
I'd fold this low potentially dominated trash pre to begin with: there's no value to extract, I believe even CO's low WTSD (-> high FE) doesn't save.

I'd fold the flop as well - a flushdraw, sometimes a duplicate OESD or random gutshot are out there, there'll be a full house redraw even if we hit ott.

The turn is an equity realisation checkback spot, there's some equity but not enough to be ahead of his range (including stubborn sets, better 2p and slowplayed nuts). His turn agg is really low, he prob c/c the entire range here as this turn card is scary and bluffable for you.

The river is good for a small valuebet/fold as played, again the board looks bluffable and he'll herocall with worse hands like sets, and the same straight too, but once he raises I can't put him on the same straight because your range is uncapped and he should be afraid of c/r'ing into the nuts.
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09-04-2013 , 04:51 AM
def play this hand otb, especially in an unraised pot.

and u just have to bet river. i would bet bigger aswell. probably crying call if he raises. his line just doesnt make enough sense that i could find a fold
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09-04-2013 , 08:34 AM
Without some extra information on the fish you are trying to "isolate", I feel this hand is just to bad a hand to raise. Extra information would be him folding alot to c-bet, playing pretty straight foreward postflop. Even with this information, your hand is pretty close to being pure garbage. Also the blind's tendencies will come into play in a "close" decision like this.

What people either seem to not realize, or simply ignore, is that there is a humongous difference between raising this hand after a limper, and raising this hand first in OTB. I'd guess you're odds of taking the pot down preflop are somewhere in the 5-10% range, probably even lower, as I seriously can't remember a single time I have iso-raised a fish and he folded, in the last 10-20 days.

Your hand is ranked 78%, with a 5 high flushdraw, I can't imagine going for big value with this hand unless you flop a nut-straight. Anywhoo; long rant for low value. I'm folding this hand preflop in spots like these, unless he is some kind of ultra monster fish.

Folding flop when needing 25% equity in position on a poor player seems like ultraspew.
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