SB was 84/21 AF-3.4 over 44 hands. No sig notes on him.

snap fold?

UTG: $48.90
Hero (MP): $57.87
CO: $20.60
BTN: $27.20
SB: $29.53
BB: $56.81

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 7 T T 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.80, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.80, SB calls $0.70, BB calls $0.55

Flop: ($3.20) 6 7 8 (4 players)
SB bets $3.20, BB folds, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds, BTN folds

call

pot odds.
Call

call and be prepared to bluff a spades on the turn a lot of the time. a small raise might be an option as well.

Range for SB: straights, sets, nfd, or some combo of say top 2+fd or gutshot. Given our blockers his range is somewhat weighted towards non-nut straights, top or bottom set or nfd.

We're a bit over 120bb deep. Top set crushes us, we're not in terrible shape against a straight and we're in great shape against a fd.

I don't want to fold here, but I'm also not sure calling is optimal. Suppose we call, the other player folds. Then on the turn we're facing another pot bet. If the board pairs it's doubtful we're getting paid unless we're beat and if the flush hits it's a guessing game (although we might be able to represent it).

I'd be inclined to raise here. You may fold out naked nut straights if he has no redraws at all (not very likely, but most people at least would be worried about getting freerolled). Non-nut straights would certainly have to at least consider folding unless you're known to push draws hard on boards like these. So I think a raise folds out at least some part of his range which you don't like to see. If you get him to fold a naked nfd or bottom set or so that's fine too, then you picked up a nice little pot.

All this would depend quite a bit on dynamics, but I see more upsides than downsides to raising here. Those who said "call" without any kind of explanation or justification: care to explain your reasoning as to why it is better than raising?

Love it.. I would even go as far as to call and bet any turn if checked to - represent what your blockers could hold.

I really dont see the point of semibluff raising a set on this flop. Dont see the fe when a villain donks fullpot into 3 players.

Raising for value doesnt seem right either.

So if we cant raise flop as semibluff, and we cant raise for value, why exacty should we call here?

If the board pairs it often either kills our action or occassionally gives villain a better hand.

If the board doesnt pair we have to rely on a flushcard to come off so we can bluff a random villain at 25plo off of what we assume is a straight, when he himself might have spades as well.

And our gs outs may not be any good.

I like a fold here.

Depends on the game and opponents of course, but a lot of people like to lead on scary boards with the nfd, while others will lead with non-nut straights to find out relatively cheaply where they stand.

I should have said when a random 25plo villain donks fullpot into 3 players. Thats almost always a strong hand that their getting in.

i play it like this, it we had top set i would raise

Can u explain your reasoning w/ this?

i do this too

ok for the call and bluff spades thing, it seems a little tricky cuz:

a) a spade gotta come off
b) villain has to not have spades
c) he has to fold

So could someone please explain the merits of this play in a little more detail.

I think that calling becomes better when: (a) villain is likely to lead only with near-nut hands and (b) can lay down when a draw hits. Then we have our boat draw plus bluffing outs, warranting a call based on pot odds.

Raising becomes more attractive when: (a) villains range is wider, including other draws and (b) villain can lay down trouble hands here, such as non-nut straights.

Agree with whoever said that having top set here makes raising more comfortable.

Problem w/ calling is that he can shut us out on the turn when we dont improve so we're basically calling to see one card.

Even if a spade comes off, we're folding to a 2nd barrell + if he checks hes going to c/c down w/ any flush + he may just decide not to fold even w/o a flush, so this too is problematic.

Raising feels weird cuz we're behind his range (40% equity maybe).

I dunno, I really hate calling here.

Is raising>folding?

for this reason pretty much:

board: 6c7s8s
Hand Pot equity
8TT8 63.44%
T9**,A***s,77**,45**,95** 36.56%

We would have to weight villans range heavily to 9T** before it would get close to 50%, we have a ton of FE against 45 and 95 and villan can easily ship with the NFD or a lower set.

Even with the absolute worst hand possible for ours we still have 30% equity

board: 6c7s8s
Hand Pot equity
8TT8 29.84%
77T9s 70.16%

I think this is fine in a vacuum, but I dont really know how much fe we can count on when villain donks fullpot 4way on this board.

And for the same reasons I do think we have to weight the top of his range much more heavily.

Say these are our reads, then what do we do w/ TT88?

Villan is playing 84/21, so when im raising with 88TT its for value - as such im not really bothered whether i get shoved on or not. Its definatly a mistake to assume villan always leads with 9Txx here tho especially so as we have blockers, in my experience at these stakes a lead here is more often a weaker hand making some kind of probe bet, be it a lower set, low straight or NFD.