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25PLO FR Deep Stacked with AAKQ flop spot on JT7

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01-26-2018 , 02:52 AM

BAEVentures

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Thoughts on the flop here? Ignore the FR part, didnt realize a few players were sitting out at the time.

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NL Holdem $0.25(BB)
BTN ($20.99)
SB ($19.26)
HERO ($53.47)
UTG ($20.71)
HJ ($240.16)
CO ($34.33)

Dealt to Hero A

UTG Folds, HJ Raises To $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 239.31), CO Calls $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 33.48), BTN Calls $0.85 (Rem. Stack: 20.14), SB Folds, HERO Raises To $4.10 (Rem. Stack: 49.12), HJ Calls $3.5 (Rem. Stack: 235.81), CO Folds, BTN Folds

Flop ($10.50) T

HERO ???

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01-26-2018 , 11:20 AM

Purasevic

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Spr is almost 5 and you are oop,really tough spot.If would start with check calling here.

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01-26-2018 , 11:31 AM

ItsmeMario

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check call. but i dont like it.

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01-26-2018 , 09:17 PM

BAEVentures

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Agreed it's a ****ty spot. Check/Call I think is the only option here.

I'm assuming this is a mandatory 3 bet pre correct? I've become a bit more passive OOP preflop with dry aces (especially cause it winds up MW so often at these stakes). I told myself this had to be 3 bet but given stack sizes I'm not sure if that's true?

Flop Action: Hero check calls an 85% pot bet from HJ ($9.00). Turn 6h.

Hero checks, pot is ~$28, villain bets $21, puke call or puke fold? (Hero has $40 behind).

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01-27-2018 , 05:49 PM

monikrazy

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I would fold turn as played
There is a case for xfolding the flop without even a backdoor flushdraw, we need to decide how many dominated hands villain has in range

Slightly unusual to fold the flop but stacks make this hand tough for hero, are we prepared to showdown aa or stack off on turn?

When we lead flop I think we can experiment with some small sizes: 20-30% can be effective

Last edited by monikrazy; 01-27-2018 at 06:00 PM.

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02-24-2018 , 06:21 PM

Steven4294

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i check jam flop to keep his betting range widest. to people saying check call... why? We are most likely going to be making folding mistakes ott

We are doing fine vs clubs and still have 40% vs the nuts. I dont see any reason to not stack this off at this spr

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02-26-2018 , 11:24 AM

user12345

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Originally Posted by monikrazy

When we lead flop I think we can experiment with some small sizes: 20-30% can be effective

What does it achieve on a texture where we dont have range adv nor nut advantage?
Small sizing implies high frequency wjich we cant maintain.

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02-26-2018 , 05:15 PM

poloplaya1414

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Pre is standard. I would bet flop about 1/2 pot, with the intention of stacking off if raised. You'll get called plenty from KQxx-type hands that are just dominated.

If you get raised, you have 11 clean outs against the naked 89. If he has blockers or clubs, you'll have less, but I still think you have good enough equity to stack off even if we're not thrilled about it.

I don't like c/call because you have to make gross turn decisions so many times.

I don't like c/jam because I think villain will check back a lot of hands we can get value from

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02-28-2018 , 01:33 PM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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Originally Posted by Steven4294

i check jam flop to keep his betting range widest. to people saying check call... why? We are most likely going to be making folding mistakes ott

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so we should pile 200bbs w/marginal hand bc we make folding mistakes on turns when we xc? bs

I don't really think it's a difficult spot on turns, if we don't improve and he continues betting, I think it's a clear fold at these stakes, we not playing 500z, and we have other hands like KQJT etc. that can defend.

but yeah if we xrai all our medium strong equity holdings such as this on flop, then we certainly WILL have a tough time on turns

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02-28-2018 , 03:23 PM

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poloplaya1414

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

It's not that the turn folds are hard to make, it's that we punt a lot of equity when we make those folds.

We have 40% equity on flop against a reasonable shoving range

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

7,954,820 trials (Exhaustive)

board: J

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAhKhQs	41.82%	3,302,001	48,875
89xx, KQJT, JJxx, TTxx	58.18%	4,603,944	48,875

I'm not thrilled about getting it in, but I'd rather get it in and realize our equity than fold on turns.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for c/rai, but bet/call for the reasons I stated above.

Also fwiw, KQJT barely outperforms our hand here. We add 4 boat outs but lose 4 straight outs, so only better when villain has clubs.

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02-28-2018 , 04:09 PM

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RalphWaldoEmerson

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I see your point. Not sure everyone is stabbing 2p/sets everytime when checked to though?

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02-28-2018 , 05:33 PM

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poloplaya1414

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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson

I see your point. Not sure everyone is stabbing 2p/sets everytime when checked to though?

Our equity actually really doesn't change much if you discount those or take them out completely.

I do agree that 2p will check back (sets I think will still bet), which is why my preference is to bet/call rather than c/raise. 2p/sets will probably flat, and then there are a lot of good turn cards to barrel even if we don't make our straight.

Straights will raise, and in that case, we have enough equity to call, although we're not happy about it.

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