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Originally Posted by blopp
But is your intention always to c/c then or u ever c/r?
If its some c/r thats obvs important. (Im only replying to your post a lot cause they are v good and bring up strong points).
For the hands its obvs v though fold on river and it really hard to comment without playing villian tons.
I honestly don't know.
This is how I see this hand. Once OP called my raise his range is essentially.
1. bluff catchers, AA/KK/QQ type hands.
2. random FPS floats like J***
3. well, the draw he actually did have, because there are no other draws.
4. J6/J3, 33 and various other pot control type made but weak hands.
Vs. 1, we should bet, but honestly it's probably a fairly small part of villain's range barring some crazy dynamics that's not all that consistent with the reads OP gave us. We should be vs. 4 too if villain's particularly tight and will pot control instead of push his now apparently good two pairs/low set and whatever.
Vs. 2 3 and 4, we should all check. Whether we c/r or c/c really depends on distributions. Note only vs. 4,1 and some of 2 (pair+FD) is CR the best play here.
If the flop were like T62/J62+FD instead of J62r, putting the 789/FD draws into play, I bet turn almost always.
My thought looking at the hand and results is villain's play doesn't make sense at all unless:
1. OP gave his hand away somehow... either bet sizing or timing
2. villain just plays the 345s the same way and is projecting.
3. Villain is just FPSing/misclicking.
I do agree with Lee's point about having "more than promised." The issue here is to make that read worthwhile, you have to assume villain read you for 345, which he apparently did by the results. But during actual play I would not be sure of that at all. As mentioned earlier, given OP's reads (which I read doesn't bluff much and probably not push J2 like this), I probably would have ended up folding.
Last edited by grizy; 09-02-2011 at 10:46 AM.
