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12-29-2009 , 03:58 PM

yellowsub

Pooh-Bah

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villain is competent, altho not a huge winner by any means

Poker Stars $5000.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN/SB: $2861.00
Hero (BB): $5075.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is BB with A

BTN/SB raises to $150, Hero folds

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12-29-2009 , 04:13 PM

Hattifnatt

Carpal \'Tunnel

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I dont mind it but prefer taking a flop. at least fold > 3-bet, imo.

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12-29-2009 , 04:34 PM

gavz101

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At least call.

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12-29-2009 , 05:08 PM

uphigh_downlow

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folding this is not a leak.
calling/3-betting could be, depending on several postflop factors.

I believe you have to go with your gut and decide on what kind of match you want to develop or exists already. Then play accordingly.

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12-29-2009 , 05:09 PM

sc000t

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3bet and lead at the flop.

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12-29-2009 , 05:54 PM

straightaway

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3 betting>folding>calling

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12-29-2009 , 06:09 PM

tdomeski

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Originally Posted by straightaway

3 betting>folding>calling

i agree and i am obv much more inclined to want to 3b if he will 4b more than just AAxx or KKxx.

don't see how you are going to win a ton of pots by just calling pf with these stacks.

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12-29-2009 , 06:09 PM

Jeans

Scandinavian Superstar

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I'd normally never consider 3betting but with these stacksizes it might be ok. Stillt hink calling>>folding

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12-29-2009 , 06:17 PM

SToll

banned

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cib pre?

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12-29-2009 , 07:39 PM

#10

jamiezig

grinder

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Originally Posted by Jeans

I'd normally never consider 3betting but with these stacksizes it might be ok. Stillt hink calling>>folding

yeah

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12-29-2009 , 08:00 PM

#11

rtk

grinder

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don't see how folding could be better than calling. id 3bet

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12-29-2009 , 08:56 PM

#12

donkey_king

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3bet

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12-29-2009 , 09:05 PM

#13

straightaway

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If you just call pre flop your basically hoping the villian plays super passive and lets you go to showdown a lot. I doubt many people fit this description and will likely value bet their hands better than one pair and bluff others leaving you in a tough spot with a hand that is very doubtful to make better than the pair of aces.

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12-29-2009 , 09:25 PM

#14

grizy

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If villain has even half a brain I fold here.

If I play here it's a 3 bet and hope villain doesn't connect at all.

Either that or it's 3 bet knowing villain will jam close to his entire range on the flop.

Last edited by grizy; 12-29-2009 at 09:36 PM.

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12-29-2009 , 09:30 PM

#15

greywolf

old hand

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3bet>call>folding. im not sure of this but i would be quite surprised if GTO play here =folding

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12-29-2009 , 11:36 PM

#16

igetmoneyobv

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Originally Posted by greywolf

3bet>call>folding. im not sure of this but i would be quite surprised if GTO play here =folding

+1. i think u should at least call here.

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12-30-2009 , 01:10 AM

#17

chinaski101

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I fine with folding, think most people would say raise though.

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12-30-2009 , 07:32 PM

#18

wazz

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If he plays really bad postflop or 4bets wide pre I'd 3bet, otherwise call, only fold if you really fear this villain and if you really fear this villain you should just sit out

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12-30-2009 , 11:21 PM

#19

manticore

centurion

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what?
folding as a 56/44 favorite with only 57bb?

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12-31-2009 , 02:50 AM

#20

Th3_S1aught3r

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Originally Posted by straightaway

3 betting>folding>calling

this
3bet and get it in on good flops

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12-31-2009 , 04:45 AM

#21

DJFL

adept

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Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
aaa* 59.33% 355,832 315
**** 40.67% 243,853 315

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
aaa* 58.33% 349,798 412
75% 41.67% 249,790 412

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
aaa* 58.27% 349,341 507
50% 41.73% 250,152 507

Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
aaa* 59.27% 355,238 731
25% 40.73% 244,031 731

Insert villain's opening frequency above. Note that you are consistently a 59ish% favorite. 3Bet accordingly.

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12-31-2009 , 09:46 AM

#22

Clayton

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those simulations account for showdowns. very often we will have to see flops, turns, and even rivers! where additional money must be wagered

so yes you will get in $450 as a 60/40, but dont forget about the other $2600

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12-31-2009 , 11:06 AM

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Hattifnatt

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not that is makes much difference in practice in this hand but our hand is AAAx without a suit, not AAA*. makes our equity about about 2.5% lower than in the calculations above.

AhAsAc3d 56.91% 341,253 419
**** 43.09% 258,328 419