So I guess this is probably just one of those villain-dependent spots but in the rare occasions that this situation does come up, I'm always completely clueless. It has only been a few orbits at the table and I have been fairly in line. Clearly, his line is pretty awkward for any reasonable value hand aside from 33xx.. Sooooo, thoughts?

Poker Stars $25/$50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
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Ben86 (CO): $2500.00
damiancho2 (BTN): $5000.00
THE__D__RY (SB): $16651.00
Hero (BB): $7762.00
straate (UTG): $2690.00

Pre Flop: ($75.00) Hero is BB with 6 K 5 A
2 folds, damiancho2 raises to $150, 1 fold, Hero calls $100

Flop: ($325.00) K 8 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, damiancho2 bets $250, Hero calls $250

Turn: ($825.00) J (2 players)
Hero checks, damiancho2 checks

River: ($825.00) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $700, damiancho2 raises to $2800

he should never have anything that beats you but im sure he did

Yeah agree with this. If it was the 1st time an opponent did this to me I'd probably just fold since it's such a weird/bad spot to bluff. If it was the 2nd or 3rd I'd probably call just to make sure I'm not being exploited.

damiancho does some pretty ******ed spewy stuff, but it almost always occurs on the flop and/or turn and he is usually pretty in line on the river. he'd 100% be firing the turn with anything he'd bluff with here. so somehow he has a legit hand here and it's prob a fold.

from villains`point of view,busted draws are a huge part of your range.plus you prob won`t lead hands with SDvalue (except very strong ones).seems to be a good spot for him to bluffraise.Call!

btw,i RR flop and no way i bet river.

So that means KJ is also a fold?

K6 = KJ in this spot imo, as he definitely bets KJ/K8 on the turn.

Damiancho has 33 or air here on the river, nothing else ever. I tank-call and hate being a station once more. :-)

If he has 33 or air, why dont we jam? (assuming hes good enough to fold 33)

If not, how deep do we have to be?

(And also fairly important, how can he raise 33 for value if he doesnt fold to a jam? Then his read on us doesnt make any sense (our bet/calling bet/3bet range is so exploitive)
Dont know if this makes any sense to anyone. I.e. If he expects us to always call or jam 2 pair he can always raise/call 33, but if were good enough to bluffjam here were good enough to have all over sets and thus he cant raise 33 for value and can't bluffraise much).

I don't think it's be good play for him to fold 33. Bluffs have to make sense against good players. We have a pretty weak river betting range here. For value its K6 and rarely a set of JJ or 66. Then the rest of our range is missed reverse floaty bluffs. All our value hands are unlikely occurrences. Its just not a likely parlay for him to back into something really strange like 33xx so he ends up taking this unbelieveable weird line AND THEN for us to show up with a unusually strong hand also.

I'd probably call since we look so weak here he could be trying to resteal sometimes in theory, though I don't know his game specifically.

In theory, you should definitely have to call this quite a bit as we're pretty close to the top of our range, but in practice:

1) Pretty much no one's going to bluff this river ever when they're not repping anything but 33
2) If someone was going to bluff it, it wouldn't be someone on the nitty side like damiancho
3) If someone on the nitty side like damiancho was going to bluff it, they wouldn't do it against someone like you who's a lot more likely than average to make a hero call

Therefore, he has 33 and it's a fold.

I call here a lot.

How often would you expect him to check behind on the turn with KK/JJ/88/66? What about KJ and K8? If he did, would he value raise KJ on the blank river?

I guess since I don't expect the above situations to happen very often...and the fact that the board bricked out, I call.

He will never. Ever.

I fold pre.

Yeah, everytime someone that isin't just god awful does something like this they seem to have it like A33X. Maybe this guy is pulling one level above that logic but I doubt it.

I think this sums it up really well. You should have the best hand but whenever someone takes this line you are beat.

whats wrong with you guys, hes pretty much only repping 33xx. he sees that you check called flop, puts you on a draw and every draw busted on the river, why can't he bluff raise you?

The villan is good and knows gordo is good, so would never raise the river with a busted draw...unless its one big mink fk of a he knows that i know that he knows kinda thing.
I also think damian is capable of checking the turn with JJJ/kj fwiw(though not v often).
He usually plays tighter at 25 50, but if he was losing in the game id prob cry and call, if hes been winning/breaking even id fold.

this is pretty much exactly what went through my mind during the hand.. I just wound up assuming, meh, I'm pretty much the absolute worst person to be bluffing like this, so congrats on either misclick checking the turn with a set or rivering 33 and then deciding to go bananas with it. I folded but damn did I feel like a nit.

I think this is 33xx over 99% of the time

don't it make you wanna spazz bluff a random spot like this in the future ? because its such a bad spot to be bluffing its the best spot to be bluffing -> head asplode

I def think damiancho is capable of making that sort of mind-fk bloof but I agree with this sentiment.

Villain is supposed to bet hands without showdownvalue on the turn, so there shouldnt be any air in his range that he could bluffraise the river with. And he is not supposed to cbh monsters on the turn. He should protect them by betting instead of setting up a weird looking raise on the river.

Why dont you bet? We may be bluffing, so he may call with worse. Looks like an obvious valuebet to me.

How do you proceed after checkraising flop? This is a spot where im often unsure what to do. On the one hand id like to expand my valuecr range, on the other it is oop and when called turn and river will often be very tough to play.

-we maybe bluffing but i don`t see villain call.just because there aren`t enough "worse 2 pairs" or tptk in his range.
-our entire line in this hand is looking very weak,by checking we induce some bluffs.
-getting shoved is really awkward.especially cause we might have induced that shove by our weak lines on previous streets.


-i`d cr flop cause i`m far ahead of villains`range and there are very few turncards i`ll like.ergo i try to win the hand now.
-if i get shoved i have a more than easy laydown.easy decisions are always good.
i admit that getting called sucks.i`d have to check/? the turn.

imo,there are tons of draws in villains`range that he`ll happily check back ott.

1 we should have air here quite some time, so villain shouldnt need all that much to find a call. I wonder if he ever turns a worse made hand into a bluff on the river given that there is no very strong hand in the value part of Heros betting range

2 What hands would this bluff be aimed against? And why would he check back turn and then bluff a blank river in a spot where we often have air anyway (as you already stated)?

3 Not sure if i get this. After we c/c Flop and Turn you mean?

4 Agreed, if we c/r flop and he 3bets we have an easy decision. Our hand is vulnerable, we have a big edge vs his flopbettingrange, we wont like many turncards, so i understand your desire to end it at once. But if he decides to continue and calls our c/r were in an even tougher spot that we are in after c/cing flop. And dont we give up value by checkraising and making him fold all the worse hands that will fire turn again?

5 Explain, pls. If you were villain with some T-high with a flushdraw plus gutshot, would you check it back planning to bluff river in case Hero checks a 3rd time?