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11-04-2014 , 12:46 PM
call sometimes and jam sometimes. balance etc
imo both options are fine, depends on OPs overall game plan on how to play the turn here as default, but can´t go wrong with either option in my humble opinione

we are 46% vs bare KK, we have nice eq vs a sick range
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
551,760 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K3T4
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad2d5hJh47.81% 262,7762,062
KK, TT, 33, KT, QsJs9A, AsAQsQ52.19% 286,9222,062

we always have some % FE, i like a jam slightly better, esp if hero is a bit balanced

btw wouldnt blindly bluff a 9 otr, repping exactly one hand when two fd bust

i think we don´t need to bluff too much with this hand to show a profit for calling ott, if at all

Last edited by sauhund; 11-04-2014 at 12:55 PM.
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11-04-2014 , 01:30 PM
If you have a read that villain over-cbets I think this line is okay. Most regs won't continue light on this board in this spot.. but I suppose he can have some AdQxJx, AAJQ, and KQJ9 stuff he may b/fold. With so much equity we only need him to be b/folding like 5% to make crai +EV.

Without that specific over cbet read, crai turn seems bad relative to calling. I think villain just levels himself into a call with the bottom of his range (his KT+gutter stuff) with the double FD on board.

Also: I like leading the flop in this spot

edit: I think bluffing the 9s and any J is best. I don't think we make a +EV bluffshove on rainbow 9s
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11-05-2014 , 12:11 AM
Im in the there is a difference between + EV and optimal camp. I think people (pros and fish) B/F this turn way less than most of you guys seem to think.

I like B/C more than CRAI w/ out history reads, etc.
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11-05-2014 , 08:09 AM
I didn't realize we had 46% equity, thanks for posting that.

I think I like B/C the turn the most. Puts villain in a strange spot as he will never be bluff raising and pretty much folding air, the one pair+ gutters, small fds and possibly KTxx
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11-08-2014 , 02:57 AM
pre is overly ambitious. you are out of position, with a fairly disconnected hand, facing aggression from a strong player. it would be one thing to open this hand with a fish in the blind or something. anyway your flop and turn play are good. wrap + gs + nfd? sick life.
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11-08-2014 , 02:58 AM
what are you people talking about bluffing the river. we are all in. you can't bluff once you are all in.
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11-08-2014 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
what are you people talking about bluffing the river. we are all in. you can't bluff once you are all in.
The people thinking we should bluff the river are also saying we should c/c or b/c turn
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11-09-2014 , 12:22 AM
three aces, three twos, two fives, three six's, three queen's and 7 diamonds. That's 21 outs on the turn. We should be a favourite vs a set on the turn.
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11-09-2014 , 06:44 AM
yep def time to throw the whole bankroll at it
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11-09-2014 , 10:24 AM
Assuming all our outs are good you have 21. But discount the 3 aces and spades and it brings our equity way down.
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11-09-2014 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
three aces, three twos, two fives, three six's, three queen's and 7 diamonds. That's 21 outs on the turn. We should be a favourite vs a set on the turn.
your over counting our outs and including board pairs that complete the flush. also you should adjust probly minus some % of outs when he has Spades which he very easily has given turn bomb
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11-10-2014 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
three aces, three twos, two fives, three six's, three queen's and 7 diamonds. That's 21 outs on the turn. We should be a favourite vs a set on the turn.
well, we have nice eq vs sets, but it would have taken you bout 5 secs to check that we aren´t a favourite.
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11-11-2014 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
well, we have nice eq vs sets, but it would have taken you bout 5 secs to check that we aren´t a favourite.
True, we have the same equity vs 1pr. We still need to hit a card to win and we are not a favorite to win so why put the money in when you know your opponent won't fold and you won't win unimproved? GII on the turn removes a play that you can make at the river to win the pot. Also the cards that make you the low end straight will almost always get you paid so your not missing value by waiting for the river with 1/3 of your outs.
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11-15-2014 , 11:32 AM
I like how you played the hand, it allows him to double barrel on his bluffs and we can win the hand unimproved on the turn [insert fistbump] and when you get called it's not the end of the world and you have a lot of equity. For those that point out we could have less equity than V when called - we make up for it with our fold equity.
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11-16-2014 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gakn29
your over counting our outs and including board pairs that complete the flush. also you should adjust probly minus some % of outs when he has Spades which he very easily has given turn bomb
Hes actually not counting board pairing outs at all. He is correct that if we are up against say, KK88 double suited in hearts and clubs, we have 21 outs and thus we are a favorite.

That being said, it is still much more likely that we have less than 21 outs.
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11-17-2014 , 03:51 PM
Jam turn, this can make him fold better - AAxx - and when you get called by 2 pair or better, you're still doing well equity-wise. I think the fold equity make this a pretty straight-forward spot.
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11-21-2014 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
call sometimes and jam sometimes. balance etc
imo both options are fine, depends on OPs overall game plan on how to play the turn here as default, but can´t go wrong with either option in my humble opinione

we are 46% vs bare KK, we have nice eq vs a sick range
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
551,760 trials (Exhaustive)
board: K3T4
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ad2d5hJh47.81% 262,7762,062
KK, TT, 33, KT, QsJs9A, AsAQsQ52.19% 286,9222,062

we always have some % FE, i like a jam slightly better, esp if hero is a bit balanced

btw wouldnt blindly bluff a 9 otr, repping exactly one hand when two fd bust

i think we don´t need to bluff too much with this hand to show a profit for calling ott, if at all
Good post, I like a jam since we do good vs calling ranges, have some FE and nice for image (esp in live game).
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11-21-2014 , 02:13 AM
Guy bets 5way on flop and close to pots turn, very little FE. I think playing the river favours us.
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