this is super high stakes for me, but didnt want to pass the chance to have villain in position. villain was playing 95/65/2, opening vritually any hand, calling with every hand, making crazy bluffs (but usually when he had the initiative, not vice versa). so what does Hero do here? at the time i felt im flipping a lot and since villain is terribel i should avoid flips but wtf, i cant lay down top two after i 3bet, right? i guess the biggest problem is whether i should 3bet or not. i felt, given stacks, i could outplay villain a lot, he was also a terrible calling station so had a pretty good idea what ill gonna do postflop. i still feel i should 3bet, but i asked wazz about it and he disagrees, saying my hand is too weak too 3bet.

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CO: $989.00
Hero (BTN): $1431.00
SB: $1762.85
BB: $1445.10
UTG: $1143.60

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN with T 5 7 8
UTG raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $63, 2 folds, UTG calls $45

Flop: ($135.00) 8 7 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $114, UTG raises to $360, Hero is getting a feeling he will lose his biggest pot yet

Nothing wrong with being patient; although your most likely ahead, this deep top two on that board is really nothing to get excited about. You could smooth call and proceed with caution. If your not comfortable just fold it. Also pf is not good imo. Just because he is bad doesn't mean you need to 3 bet him with trash.

i guess there was no need to clip the HH, since the only problem seems to be (or not) preflop. so yeah, this is the rest of the action. i just felt this was a huge huge cooler at the time, still do. villain was getting really out of line in very many spots and i was very comfortable with the whole table and didnt mind busting.


Flop: ($135.00) 8 7 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $114, UTG raises to $360, Hero raises to $1213, UTG calls $720.60 all in

Turn: ($2296.20) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($2296.20) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $2296.20
Hero mucks T 5 7 8
UTG shows 2 5 8 8 (a straight, Ace to Five)
UTG wins $2294.20
(Rake: $2.00)

Well you can call and look to avoid a 4, 5, 6, 9, T or club on the turn and then get it in on a safe turn. A spade would be nice.

I think putting it in on the flop is plain bad when you will lose the chance to cover the villain if you lose the pot and he is likely to donk off your money to someone else.

I don't really even think folding is horrendous as the only way you can be really ahead is if he is spazzing out with 7324r.

Ah would be a gross card to shove it in on though. :S

wazz is right, especially against a calling station.
tought spot on flop, Im torn between calling IP and shoving but I don't think he's folding to shove

^^ Lol Ah was posted before you did that second post

I guess pre was a little bit rash.

Sorry man

fwiw i'd rather 3bet this PF if the 5h was the 9c respectively...

alot of times you're getting freerolled or are 50/50 (at best) in this spot.. maybe he just puts you on AA & has like 7733 or something, but generally i dont feel too awesome about getting it in here...

JMO

Kinbor sheepishly agrees he has lost his biggest pot in his career making the worst possible play

I dont mind preflop cuz its probably not that huge of a mistake either way. The flop otoh i think call>>fold>>>>>>>>shove just becuase you have no fold equity and when called your flipping at best. On the turn if you hit a nice card you could get it in. The hard part is knowing what turn cards are safe. I probably would have shipped any non J,T,9,6,5,4 or club.

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if this is super high stakes for you im guessing you play .5/1 or so, which makes this gross, if he was that bad i let him make mistakes not the other way, 3 bet good hand ip not this trash, and get it in with him drawing as close to dead as possible. not whilst flipping, guess you realised that anyway, ul.

I used to do this when I jumped up a few levels to play in a really good game...try to have the guy drawing as dead as possible. In the hand in question here, I do think he has to ship it on that flop. 3betting pre is questionable, but after that's done, the money has to go in. Villain will probably shove with "less" aka coinflips, but if you just fold here, I really think that's really gross. Same with calling flop and hoping for a safe turn. What if it's not a safe turn aka over half the deck? Then you may get bluffed out.

Hero is repping Aces here and on that flop, villain probably SHOULD ship the flop w any 4 cards. Letting a maniac villain run over you is bad mkay! Gotta take a stand.

I'd love to hear different opinions tho. This could be a good discussion.


p.s. TS...how did you "ask Wazz"? pm or does he coach?

I dont like the 3-bet.

flop is close between folding and shoving imo leaning very slightly towards shoving. vs a less crazy player calling and looking for a good turn would be an option but I dont like it vs the guy described since it seems pretty likely that he fire a missed straight draw or lower 2p on a club turn etc.

I wouldnt hate checking back the flop and proceed from there either.

tough hand and its possible that the scared money and the results has some impact on my reply.

Yeah, you should really flat the flop and look for a safe turn. I'd fold a club or a red four on the turn and call everything else. Preflop's not really "bad", but it's super high-variance and not a play I'd make if I was playing over my head at all. I play a really LAG game and this is the lower end of the stakes I play, and this is still about the worst possible hand I'd 3-bet here.

well, i based my reads on this gems, so folding was never really an option, since he can felt hands like 73/83 aswell, but i really should call and get it in on the turn, i think Ah is pretty gross card for that, so id fold that turn for sure, but maybe hed check get scared and id get a cheap showdown anyway the way the board was dealt out.

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CO: $1196.00
Hero (BTN): $751.00
SB: $1108.85
BB: $1379.10
UTG: $33.20
MP: $2054.60

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BTN with 2 K 5 J
1 fold, MP raises to $18, 1 fold, Hero raises to $63, 2 folds, MP calls $45

Flop: ($135.00) 5 Q 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $114, MP calls $114

Turn: ($363.00) 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $234, MP raises to $474, Hero raises to $574 all in, MP folds

Final Pot: $1311.00
Hero wins $1308.00
(Rake: $3.00)


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BB: $664.00
Hero (UTG): $597.00
CO: $987.85
BTN: $873.50
SB: $1851.30

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is UTG with 5 9 2 9
1 fold, CO raises to $21, 1 fold, SB raises to $60, 1 fold, CO calls $39

Flop: ($126.00) K 2 J (2 players)
SB bets $78, CO calls $78

Turn: ($282.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $246, CO calls $246

River: ($774.00) Q (2 players)
SB checks, CO checks

Final Pot: $774.00
CO shows J A Q A (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
SB shows 5 3 9 4 (a pair of Fives)
CO wins $772.00
(Rake: $2.00)

Yeah preflop is pretty rough, but I'd get it in here on the flop.

If you think the Ah is a bad turn card, likely 75% of the deck could be a *bad* turn card, so based on the fact that your hand looks like AA here; 83, 73, and all sorts of draws are in the villain's range so yeah... get it in (and dont run into top set next time)

Was Villan Siegel?

I would have folded or perhaps c/c to the river. A repot on the river tho would have been a pretty sick move!

When you're playing against a fish it doesn't mean you need to be the fish.

lol, the villain was central06 or something like that, siegel plays 1/2$ and was in very thanksgiving mood today, i must say.