$1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($200)
Hero ($640)
BTN ($354.50)
SB ($223.10)
BB ($708.65)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is CO 6 8 9 A
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, BTN raises to $21, 2 folds, Hero calls $15

Flop: 6 A 2 ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $28, Hero calls $28

Turn: J ($101, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $80, $80 to Hero ($591)?



Villain is probably a winning reg. In 145 hands he was playing 26/19 with an overall 3bet of 10%.

Do you fold pre? What do you do on the turn?

pre I woud probably fold

flop call

turn fold

just fold pre

tsa.. why aren't we raising OTF to get value from draws?

also, why wouldn't we call the turn and if the river blanks hope that villain bluffs missed draws? our line looks like we are drawing. btn 3bet range is relatively wide, no?

Raise call flop 170bb deep? If we are lucky we are flipping with this hand so I wouldn't raise Axx flops too often when villain has 3betted pf even when his 3bet range should be much more wider CO vs Btn. we have 58% against A***.

Turn I would fold since there is just so many bad river cards for us and we dont have any idea where our hand stands now. But yeah I prefer fold and then call and cc over half of rivers.

yeah fold pre, we just can't play this hand profitably oop against a decent player. As played bet/fold flop, and hate life/wish you had folded pre if he calls....

if you call turn you should call a LOT of rivers. in fact maybe even all of them.

Ty for the comments.
Sorry if the hand is pretty standard and I still have a lot of questions but im just starting out in PLO and I want to understand how better players think the game.

First, I agree that I should fold pre and thought it was a mistake the moment I clicked call but just wanted to be sure.

ElRazor, why would it be better to lead/fold this flop? whats the logic behind it?

I didnt say this but the villain cbet 86%. I think its safe to assume that he cbets 100% in HU pots and I expect him to double barrel close to 100% on that board too. If he 3bets 10% of hands (possibly even wider in this spot) I don't think we can fold this turn because we are ahead equity-wise against that range. Even against the top 5% range we are flipping on that board.
If we check/shove, ofc it sucks when we get it in dead against AJxx or sets but don't the times we get called by hands with worse equity or make weak draws fold and not realize their equity make up for it to be profitable?
Am I thinking this wrong?

Also, Jinx, could you elaborate a bit more on that idea please?

with those reads call flop call turn and call 80% of rivers.

I guess that you shoved and villain had AJxx?

Nah, he folded.

fold pre and find a new table if you're getting abused like this constantly with no other fish in the game

i like shoving the turn tho given your reads, wp

i like c/c flop
c/r turn

and i fold pre

if villain's c-bet range is 86% then there is no reason not to check/raise on the flop and try to end the hand.

as played, fold turn

Obv with this read, flop is a c/r pretty much regardless of our holding.

why?

Not if his follow through is also very high.

Surely a 150 hand sample size is not enough to use this stat?

Agreed, but that is dependent on our holding. with air obv c/r is good, with a made hand just drop into c/c mode and let him barrel his stack off.

because if we just call all of his 3 bets oop with marginal hands and check/fold when we miss, it's like taking candy from a baby for villain.

I don't like the idea of c/r flop. Couldn't villain hold a big draw like a wrap + fd?? If a 345 or spade hit the turn I'm felling very uncomfortable playing OOP.

Idk what to do OTT, calling again sucks cause there are so many bad river cards, but isn't c/r the turn a little bit too aggressiv??

its ok, some missunderstanding.. i ment calling with our hand is superior then checkraising...ofcourse CR with air with very high freqency vs someone who Cbets to much is good..Also from my expirience i dont think we have to be very balanced in this spot cause its harder to figure us out at plo then in nlhe..

I might donk the flop. As played call turn imo. c/c flop then c/f this turn is burning money vs a decent reg. If a river is a spade c/f, club & KQT c/decide. Most other rivers its time to be a hero.

I much prefer c/ring the turn here in case he is barrelling with any sort of equity. There's way too many semi-bluffs for him to have and way too many river cards for him to rep. The cards that are great for us are the ones he is least likely to rep, so river is going to be hell for us.

We do lose the max in case he has AJ or AA by shoving, but it's just that villain can play much better than us on the river in almost all cases with position and the option to put the remaining stacks in. We will probably make all sorts of mistake including stacking off to AJ or AA anyway, or some other reverse implied odds result like folding the best hand.

Idk why wouldnt you expect villian to rep the cards that are best for us? If he has no showdown value he will feel very compelled to bluff on those imo. He´s repping a made hand on the turn.

On the other hand our hand looks very drawy, so if a spade comes he´ll check back his hands that arent a flush if he has any sd value, which is very likely if he doesnt have a fd.
There are some tricky rivers, but most arent too bad imo.

That said if we had a read that he 2 barrels draws in big pots c/r is a very good/possibly the best option.

When someone c/cs twice OOP in such a spot I usually put them on a hand that is going to showdown if nothing changes, because there are very few draws that c/c twice in such a spot because it can be quite tough to get value on the river. It's possibly that opponent will barrel a blank on the river regardless, but he certainly is given an easy value bet with most better hands in such a situation too.

Either way, I still think our opponent is going to play better than us.