Game is 100/100/200/400

Hero has (SB): KcKd8c6s

Game is 7 handed.

Villian raises to 1400. Fold. Button raises to 4000. I call. 3 folds. Villian calls

Villian 50k (is the spot
In the game)
Button 70k (average reg)
Hero covers

Flop: 9c Ts 5d

Hero checks, Villian snap bets 12k, button folds.... Hero??

Villain is the spot in the game as said, what do you do here. He will happily get this much in with 2 pair so he has a wideish range. We have 0 fold equity in this spot. Do we dominate enough draws to get it in? I think is a close spot either way.

Note this is live. So online ranges go out the wall and live plays very different.

Fold pre.

I probably fold pre too, esp considering you still have 3 more players in the blinds.

And for a live hand, you didn't give quite enough info to get a good idea of his range. He's still donkbetting pot in a 3way 3bet pot on a pretty connected board, you'll be flipping quite often probably, but maybe not as often as you need.

Just want to point out that you don't really dominate any draws. That could be the case if you had KKJx or KKQx but not with KK86.

For example:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

1,495,680 trials (Exhaustive)

board: T 9 5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Kc 8c kd 6s	43.67%	653,130	0
QJ8*	56.33%	842,550	0

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

1,495,680 trials (Exhaustive)

board: T 9 5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
Kc Qc kd 2s	55.38%	818,648	19,269
QJ8*	44.62%	657,763	19,269

where is this game?

Is this Macau?

for obv reasons nobody answer ''wheres this game?''. why you guys keep asking?

about the hand, i think pre is close and callling probably the best play. on flop id fold.. close again, but folding. if we had KKJ2 (higher gut shot) id get in.

btw, you could tell a bit more about the fish... we can find lots of fishs... the fishs who bluffs a lot, the fishs who never folds and always calling down.. is this fish agroo? vs an agroooo fish i can see getting, but he has to be very agroo. also, how this fish plays pre? he is agroo pre or just raise conected hands?

i know some fishs who are 95vpip, but when they raise they have conected hands or hands they think its pretty. (some fishs think 8762ds is pretty lol)

if raising 8762ds is wrong I don't want to be right

idk, seems like a fold

Fold pre or just cram the pot if you're stuck I guess.

fold > raise > call preflop

Flop is close, guess I jam

you really think raising is better than flatting pre stinger? I feel like we just set ourselves up to get crushed by aces and we fold out the weak villain a ton. I also think our hand will flop clearly enough to play postflop, is well disguised and we'll probably get a decent amount of cbets out of button.

against a flop range I think it's a close shove but villain snap betting makes me think he's very 2pair heavy here so I;d fold (35/65 vs 9t**)

If you truely have 0 fe,you can call the flop and jam every turn.

we're oop and we don't hit that many flops so hard, so i think fold > flatting pre, 4b is probably close to folding i think but difficult to evaluate without better knowledge of ranges and tendencies. expect villains playing this high 3b superlight so we're better off 4betting.

Agree with PF.
On flop i fold.

hmm, i dont remember this one. i think you should 4b pre vs me or phil, roll your eyes and fold pre vs most others. i would fold the flop, i actually think villain in question has a set a fair amount (he loves donking sets), obv two pair tons, and a real hand always

well we're still basically only flipping vs villain's range and he'll probably play well postflop against us. Since he has a wide 3b range I'd rather ck/shove flops with FE when we do hit relatively hard or do some other sort of thing, plus I mean let's keep the fish in there yo, and also this is a great spot for balance with "aces" imo